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Radeon R9 290 and 290X widely available, but at premium prices
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*Sigh*
Only a matter of time until PSU's and associated hardware rocket too then, can't say I blame retailers all too much though, put your business hat on for a second and think "I can either sell 1000 of these at £400, or I can sell 1000 of these at £800" which would you go for?
The real shame is its gamers that get hit the hardest, those that the cards are marketed towards.
Only a matter of time until PSU's and associated hardware rocket too then, can't say I blame retailers all too much though, put your business hat on for a second and think "I can either sell 1000 of these at £400, or I can sell 1000 of these at £800" which would you go for?
The real shame is its gamers that get hit the hardest, those that the cards are marketed towards.
xfire 270x's = win win
Gigabyte Radeon R9 270X WindForce 3X OC 4096MB
Two of those, 4GB, comes to £340, only £20 more than the Toxic 280X and will beat it convincingly it.
lol ^^^^
Yeah, i understand that, yet i feel its artificial inflation. somehow perverted.
I'm a coin digger myself, but like others who i'm sure feel the same way i don't want this card for mining. i want it for what its intended for, Gaming.
I wished AMD put some sort of hardware mining lockout on the 280X / 290/X and made a "280X / 290/X mining edition" for those who want to mine and game with it, or just mine.
Yeah, i understand that, yet i feel its artificial inflation. somehow perverted.
I'm a coin digger myself, but like others who i'm sure feel the same way i don't want this card for mining. i want it for what its intended for, Gaming.
I wished AMD put some sort of hardware mining lockout on the 280X / 290/X and made a "280X / 290/X mining edition" for those who want to mine and game with it, or just mine.
Caporegime
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People are too stupid these days to say no to bad pricing. I bought some 7950's for £170 for mining like 3 weeks ago. While others are paying £250+ for the same cards. I simply said no at the higher prices.
AFAIK it's only retailers jacking the prices up, not AMD meaning if the customers say no the retailers put the prices back down and sell again.
Surprisingly the 290 prices have been fine throughout. As such the 290 makes a better buy, better hashing power, similar hash/W rates, similar price, better actual gaming performance by a large margin, will have better resale value when people decide to sell them on because all of the above.
Ultimately you can take any card at any time and find retailers jacking the prices up and as long as customers don't say no, the prices stay high and you see them trying higher prices up till people stop buying. They have no reason to lower them while people are stupid enough to just pay way higher. Same happens on most launches when supply is marginally low(or people run around saying supply will be low) then the prices go up.
I find it odd because I can't remember a release in which I couldn't get a card below RRP either at or within a week or two of launch. yet people panic themselves into thinking they won't get their card this second, so pay higher prices thinking they won't be able to get one at a sensible price. Looking around has never taken more than a few days to find the card I want at a reasonable price. Around a month after the mining thing took off I got 2 290's at £290, while other people were jacking prices up and telling everyone stock was disappearing.
The even more silly thing about it is, a £400 280x, would still end up cheaper than a £100 770gtx after 2 months of mining, and it would make a profit (at least for the time being) after that.
AFAIK it's only retailers jacking the prices up, not AMD meaning if the customers say no the retailers put the prices back down and sell again.
Surprisingly the 290 prices have been fine throughout. As such the 290 makes a better buy, better hashing power, similar hash/W rates, similar price, better actual gaming performance by a large margin, will have better resale value when people decide to sell them on because all of the above.
Ultimately you can take any card at any time and find retailers jacking the prices up and as long as customers don't say no, the prices stay high and you see them trying higher prices up till people stop buying. They have no reason to lower them while people are stupid enough to just pay way higher. Same happens on most launches when supply is marginally low(or people run around saying supply will be low) then the prices go up.
I find it odd because I can't remember a release in which I couldn't get a card below RRP either at or within a week or two of launch. yet people panic themselves into thinking they won't get their card this second, so pay higher prices thinking they won't be able to get one at a sensible price. Looking around has never taken more than a few days to find the card I want at a reasonable price. Around a month after the mining thing took off I got 2 290's at £290, while other people were jacking prices up and telling everyone stock was disappearing.
The even more silly thing about it is, a £400 280x, would still end up cheaper than a £100 770gtx after 2 months of mining, and it would make a profit (at least for the time being) after that.
IMO there's already enough vendor specific stuff,, eg physx mantle etc without making another tier of lockouts and would make reselling cards second hand a nightmare
yes i think it is most likely retailers making a quick extra $$ on stuff but its what there in business for and i dont see price increases for anything that can be used for mining stopping
Caporegime
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So 290's £310-350 at launch, today, £310-350 except at £350 you aren't getting Asus reference cards(with asus just charging more than everyone else for the same product because..... no idea why) you're now getting third party cooled cards at that cost?
because one stupid ass retailer is overcharging people in america.... AMD is to blame, and it reflects worldwide pricing, despite the effective drop in pricing with £350 reference cooled models being replaced by £350 third party cooled models, and the £310 cheapest ones being roughly the same price since launch?
I also see a bunch of sub £400 290x's with BF4 codes.... which is cheaper than launch.
Failing to see the crazy prices.
The 280x's, yes, retailers are trying to gouge everyone on those, the 290/290x's I don't even see any movement on price at all. The 290x's are generally cheaper across the board and the 290 third party cooled are at "normal" prices, cheaper than some of the reference models on launch, and the majority of launch 290's were £320+, with the odd deal at £290-300 which still pop up now and then. Ultimately 290 pricing was insanely good value so was never going to go down, 290x is less good value which is why we now have cheaper prices + bf4 codes on them.
because one stupid ass retailer is overcharging people in america.... AMD is to blame, and it reflects worldwide pricing, despite the effective drop in pricing with £350 reference cooled models being replaced by £350 third party cooled models, and the £310 cheapest ones being roughly the same price since launch?
I also see a bunch of sub £400 290x's with BF4 codes.... which is cheaper than launch.
Failing to see the crazy prices.
The 280x's, yes, retailers are trying to gouge everyone on those, the 290/290x's I don't even see any movement on price at all. The 290x's are generally cheaper across the board and the 290 third party cooled are at "normal" prices, cheaper than some of the reference models on launch, and the majority of launch 290's were £320+, with the odd deal at £290-300 which still pop up now and then. Ultimately 290 pricing was insanely good value so was never going to go down, 290x is less good value which is why we now have cheaper prices + bf4 codes on them.
If there are AMD GPU's that will not mine the coin diggers wont buy them, that levies them for Gamers at normal prices.
Anyway... we live in hope. a fast response there from Roy.
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You'll never switch to Nvidia.
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Doesn't mining basically ruin cards? Like ragging a car engine constantly it just wears out quicker.
Not exactly but running 24/7 load will definitely shorten lifespan, and at the rate some models of the 7970's failed just from gaming it does seem quite risky buying one used. As always though get one with excellent and transferable warranty and it isn't much of an issue.
No. some people are still using the same 6950 they started with 3 years ago.
If you run them at excessive high temperatures for months without end they may not last the warranty, but other than that it does them no harm.
