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FoxEye, I was a bit mean earlier in this thread and I apologise for that.
No hard feelings I hope
No hard feelings I hope
Cat Connundrum
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[FnG]magnolia;25853111 said:FoxEye, I was a bit mean earlier in this thread and I apologise for that.
No hard feelings I hope
None at all. When I saw that pic I had a good chuckle.
Before printing it out and heading to the bathroom
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None at all. When I saw that pic I had a good chuckle. Before printing it out and heading to the bathroom
Don't tell robgmun that, he is absolutely furious on your behalf
Don't tell robgmun that, he is absolutely furious on your behalf
I was quite touched by that, tbh
You can't tell...
I always wondered as to why owners are so happy to let their cats outside for most of a day. Our neighbours Greyhound has killed a ton of cats around here in it's back garden, people are actually trying to get it put down now. 
I don't have much of an issue with cats personally. I just don't at all understand how people can think it's okay to inadvertently allow their cats to ruin other peoples gardens, kill their pets etc. and then when their cats are killed by another neighbours pet in said neighbours own garden they then think it's ok to go mad. Cat owners are much less tolerable than the animals themselves though, case in point with the Greyhound.
I understand this isn't exactly to the topic of the thread, but then the thread is a mess anyways, hopefully some sensible cat owners on here can shed some light on the ridiculous situation I stated above.
I don't have much of an issue with cats personally. I just don't at all understand how people can think it's okay to inadvertently allow their cats to ruin other peoples gardens, kill their pets etc. and then when their cats are killed by another neighbours pet in said neighbours own garden they then think it's ok to go mad. Cat owners are much less tolerable than the animals themselves though, case in point with the Greyhound.
I understand this isn't exactly to the topic of the thread, but then the thread is a mess anyways, hopefully some sensible cat owners on here can shed some light on the ridiculous situation I stated above.
I always wondered as to why owners are so happy to let their cats outside for most of a day. Our neighbours Greyhound has killed a ton of cats around here in it's back garden, people are actually trying to get it put down now.
I don't have much of an issue with cats personally. I just don't at all understand how people can think it's okay to inadvertently allow their cats to ruin other peoples gardens, kill their pets etc. and then when their cats are killed by another neighbours pet in said neighbours own garden they then think it's ok to go mad. Cat owners are much less tolerable than the animals themselves though, case in point with the Greyhound.
I understand this isn't exactly to the topic of the thread, but then the thread is a mess anyways, hopefully some sensible cat owners on here can shed some light on the ridiculous situation I stated above.
So what pets were these cats killing? Or have you made an assumption just because?
I've had fish go missing from my pond and so have others, nobody around here bothers having any now. I'm the only one who still has one at this point, but drained it after finding a hedgehog in it.
Why bring this up anyway, I'm asking whether it is wrong for the Greyhound to kill cats that wonder into it's garden and if so why.
I've had fish go missing from my pond and so have others, nobody around here bothers having any now. I'm the only one who still has one at this point, but drained it after finding a hedgehog in it.
Why bring this up anyway, I'm asking whether it is wrong for the Greyhound to kill cats that wonder into it's garden and if so why.
Because your comment was pretty much, "A cat, I don't know which, has presumably killed people's fish, but people complain when a dog kills their cat"
There's a difference because you have already identified what animal is killing the cats, but you don't know what animal has killed the fish beyond an assumption.
Can you really not see the issue with that?
Would you condone hedgehog lovers going around stabbing random bodies of water just in case a hedgehog might have died in it?
Aside from that, cats are hunters, dogs aren't, so a dog killing largish animals is likely to have an aggression problem, whereas you are assuming that a cat has killed your fish as you haven't actually said you've seen one do it.
I was quite touched by that, tbh
So was he by the looks of it. And I don't mean in the Don McLean 'the day the music died' way... :/
Nobody is hunting the cats mate, no idea which has had them but it's obvious one has. Can you shed some light on the situation with the Greyhound please? The Greyhound is a hunting animal designed to take down bigger things than cats. Google suggests nothing can be done to the dog which is a relief, it is private property after all, it is a shame about the cats though.
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I know they're not, that wasn't my point. I'm saying you expect certain behavior from cats and dogs, and killing largish animals on a regular basis is the sort of thing an overly agressive dog would do.
I think the cat owners have a right to complain about the dog, because they know that dog has killed their cat. But the fish owners don't know who has killed their fish, so are just making assumptions it must be the cats.
I don't think the dog should be put down on that basis, but if I were the dog owner, I'd be a bit concerned that it may snap at a child, an adult isn't much of an issue as it couldn't really do much damage to an adult.
You comment about how they can't complain is just bizarre because it's founded on assumptions.
Yeah that's fair enough, there is no way to prove the cats kill fish but they didn't jump out on their tails and wonder off.
The family who own the Hound have five kids and no incidents yet, it's extremely well behaved and loving, I guess it just sees a moving ball of fluff and follows it's instincts. You'd think there would be a way to keep cats out though, for their own sake.
Yeah that's fair enough, there is no way to prove the cats kill fish but they didn't jump out on their tails and wonder off.
The family who own the Hound have five kids and no incidents yet, it's extremely well behaved and loving, I guess it just sees a moving ball of fluff and follows it's instincts. You'd think there would be a way to keep cats out though, for their own sake.
A metal mesh fence atop the wall would be enough to keep cats away really.
Also, of course I know the fish didn't top themselves, it could have been a cat, but it also could have been a bird too.
They've done that mate, even coated the sides of the fences with the stuff as well as the side of mine and the other neighbours. Doesn't seem to be working as nothing has died yet but we've still seen cats in the garden still, if anything I wouldn't be surprised if it makes it easier for them.
Cat 'repellent' doesn't seem to work either.The Hound isn't being let out nearly as much though which is a shame, in half a mind to offer to walk it myself.
My friends house was a big 4 bedroom fully detached house. It wasn't as if the cats were stuck in a studio apartment, yet they still wanted out.
And to answer your question...The cats were raised as indoor cats from birth...they still wanted out.
If say you live in the centre of a major city and desperately want a cat - There's no harm in owning one and raising it as an indoor cat (as long as you care to its additional needs due to it being stuck inside). You wouldn't let a cat outside if you lived in a major central city due to the hazards. This circumstance aside, most of us live outside these areas and in the vast majority of circumstance should raise cats to have an element of indoors and outdoors in their life.
Also...You say why should you listen to me instead of random stuff on the internet. The answer to this is because this is an active forum with anecdotal evidence from people who have experience in the specific area and who voluntarily try and help people with real time advice (no matter how insane the thread topic). You dismiss honest advice given by people who have owned cats all their life, yet you yourself cant own a cat because your 'landlord' AKA mum, wont allow it....
Back on topic ....Why don't you just move out and get a cat?
They have, they get fat, stressed and depressed, the 'experts' you keep referring to have said all this. Look on the internet as much as you like, the downsides of keeping an animal confined don't magically go away. The only cat likely to tolerate being imprisoned is a rag doll.
The owner has a legal duty of care to anyone and anything that comes into his garden, invited or not.
So if a child, burglar or a cat injure themselves on a spiked fence, he is liable.
If a child, burglar or a cat are attacked by his dog, he is liable, especially as the dog is known to attack other animals.
Either way killing someone's pet is asking for trouble.
The fish were probably taken by a heron, a cat isn't going to be interested in getting it's paws wet.
Money.
From what I've read, there are at least half a dozen breeds more suited to being indoor cats than outdoor. Cornish/Devon Rex, Sphinx, etc.
It's not just Ragdolls by any means.
LOL, OK I'm done here.
Every single (and I do mean this) every single article about the breeds I mentioned... says you should keep them indoors.
Do you know why? I guess not.