The Fight For Medicinal Cannabis Reaches Parliament.

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Burnsy2023 said:
If there the evidence is rigorous and shows that is has measurable medical benefits, I support this for medicinal purposes.

I don't support any change in the law for recreational use though.
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Why dude? Some of us just like to smoke a spliff just like some of you like a drink.

You gotta admit cannabis being illegal is only because they can't make any money off it because its a plant and you can grow your own and if it was legal peoplew ould be growing it all over the shop.


Burnsy2023 said:
The big argument against that is looking at the social harms. You don't want to get to the point where you're legalizing a drug that ends up being as harmful as alcohol.
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I agree but Bud is bud, its not coke or heroin. Alcohol is a lot worse than cannabis and kills thousands a year, cannabis doesn't kill anyone. Its ridiculous its illegal.
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
People used to think smoking tobacco was good for you when it was first sold, lead used to be put in medicine because people thought it cured illness. Now we know better !! just because druggies want to legalise it because they say it is harmless is utterly ridiculous. Smoking weed stinks therefore people who smoke it a lot stink, it also dulls your senses which inturn makes you lathargic (lazy).
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You don't have to smoke it, you can vaporise which elminates most of the smell and the carcinogens. You can also eat it.
 
Frodo1805 said:
Why dude? Some of us just like to smoke a spliff just like some of you like a drink.

You gotta admit cannabis being illegal is only because they can't make any money off it because its a plant and you can grow your own and if it was legal peoplew ould be growing it all over the shop.
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last time i checked tobacco was a plant? Smoking is bad enough and it would never have been made legal if it was new. Why should we legalise something that will damage peoples health and be another drain on the NHS like we already do with alcohol and tobacco?
 
@ AndyCroft1982

There's lots of things that people do that I don't do, or dislike, that damages their health... doesn't mean I should have the arrogance to tell them what to do, however.

Tbh, you sound as biased and shortsighted as the pro legalise 'druggies' you mention.

This polarising is a perfect example as to why proper, open and resourced medical research cannot freely take place.
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
last time i checked tobacco was a plant? Smoking is bad enough and it would never have been made legal if it was new. Why should we legalise something that will damage peoples health and be another drain on the NHS like we already do with alcohol and tobacco?
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Cigarettes arent just purely tobacco are they.
 
You can intake cannabis in different ways that aren't smoking it.

There's absolutely ZERO reason not to legalise it for recreational purposes. Any reason they can come up with is evidently highly outweighed by the arguments against alcohol legalisation, which we all know is substantially worse for you.

About 9,000 people die from alcohol related illnesses each year (I thought it would be more tbh) and between about 5 and 20 die from cannabis related illness each year. No brainer really!
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
last time i checked tobacco was a plant? Smoking is bad enough and it would never have been made legal if it was new. Why should we legalise something that will damage peoples health and be another drain on the NHS like we already do with alcohol and tobacco?
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But it is legal? why? Why should tobacco and alcohol be legal when they kill hundreds of thousands a year when you combine them both whereas cannabis doesnt kill a single person and in general makes people more relaxes and chilled out. Alcohol gets u on that buzzin vibe and in most people hands makes them act off it.

Ummmm how is it going to damage peoples health exactly? It doesnt kill anybody, it hardly affects your life in anyway............its a plant you smoke that chills you out, you dont overdose, hallucinate or go on a mad one. I think you just dont like cannabis and have an agenda against it because your points are invalid and outdated.

Oh and tobacco is a plant but mixed with hundreds of poisons, cannabis once regulated would be purely cannabis.

What happened Andy? did somebody pass u the spliff and you wet the tip and they clipped u round the ear or something.
 
jumpy said:
@ AndyCroft1982

There's lots of things that people do that I don't do, or dislike, that damages their health... doesn't mean I should have the arrogance to tell them what to do, however.

Tbh, you sound as biased and shortsighted as the pro legalise 'druggies' you mention.

This polarising is a perfect example as to why proper, open and resourced medical research cannot freely take place.
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I have no problem in the slightest if they allowed people who are dying and want some releif from the pain fair enough, however, if it is legalised so people can smoke it everyday because they like it then im dead against it yes and am biased. Alcohol and tobacco kill more people at the moment bacuase more people use them as it is part of culture (which is wrong), if cannabis is legalised then in 50 years time we will be saying the same things about cannabis as we do now about smoking and drinking in excess.

Prolonged use of cannibis has been linked with depression, severe paranoa and other mental illnesses, people who say it doesnt have obviously smoked too much
 
Prolonged use of anything to excess is bad for you. This is just common sense, when dealing with consumable substances that are not inherently lethal.

What was it? "All things in moderation."

I believe it is those to subscribe to 'moderation' who resent being labelled as drug addicts and criminals by legislators who do not always practice what they preach... but that's a whole other debate :)
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
I have no problem in the slightest if they allowed people who are dying and want some releif from the pain fair enough, however, if it is legalised so people can smoke it everyday because they like it then im dead against it yes and am biased. Alcohol and tobacco kill more people at the moment bacuase more people use them as it is part of culture (which is wrong), if cannabis is legalised then in 50 years time we will be saying the same things about cannabis as we do now about smoking and drinking in excess.

Prolonged use of cannibis has been linked with depression, severe paranoa and other mental illnesses, people who say it doesnt have obviously smoked too much
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Ok so now the points you have been making are officialy invalid.

Move on people we have a anti-cannabis biased idiot here with no point other than he doesn't like cannabis.

Oh and alcohol and tobacco will always kill, cannabis has and never will kill.
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
Prolonged use of cannibis has been linked with depression, severe paranoa and other mental illnesses, people who say it doesnt have obviously smoked too much
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And what does prolonged use of prescription meds do, the same? Worse?

Stop listening to an already biased media Andy and take a step back to properly look at the situtaion you are commenting on :)
 
DeanT77 said:
And what does prolonged use of prescription meds do, the same? Worse?

Stop listening to an already biased media Andy and take a step back to properly look at the situtaion you are commenting on :)
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He hasen't a clue, type of guy i can imagine reading The Sun articles and soaking them up.
 
Frodo1805 said:
Oath my friend, Oath. He couldn't tell you even if he wanted to.
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That still doesn't make any sense.

Police are there to uphold the law, doesn't mean they can't have an opinion outside of work. Besides even if it was against the oath, then saying the same about medical cannabis would be the same.

MikeTheNative said:
The same way morphine is fine for medical use but shouldn't be used for recreational.
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Completely different drug.
 
Frodo1805 said:
cannabis has and never will kill.
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The jury is still very much out on this one. There is a lot of evidence that it can, and a lot that it doesn't. It's way too early to be drawing conclusions about this.

Frankly when I hear most people talking about pot these days it sounds an awful lot like people used to sound way back when cigs were considered absolutely fine and sometimes an actual health benefit. I will not be surprised at all if, in 20-30 years' time people look back at pot-smoking and wondered how it was ever legalised or done at all and that there are all sorts of negative side-effects that will be discovered. I mean you're burning something and inhaling it - common sense should tell you that this should come with some negative side-effects, even if it does have some benefits for some people in some cases.

As a personal side note: I've known a lot of pot-smokers over the years and the vast majority of them ended up wasting their school and uni life away in a cloud of smoke and ended up with bad grades or having to repeat years. I think a few went on to do good things and got good jobs but most didn't. So the issue here isn't just biological/physiological health - it's social health and well-being, too.
 
Longbow said:
That still doesn't make any sense.

Police are there to uphold the law, doesn't mean they can't have an opinion outside of work. Besides even if it was against the oath, then saying the same about medical cannabis would be the same.



Completely different drug.
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I agree with you completely but thats just the way it is they can't actively voice there opinion against the law regardless of what they think thats why there robotic puppets who can't and do not accossiate with common people because they are brainwashed. thats my point anyway, thats a different thread and a different time tho :p
 
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