The Fight For Medicinal Cannabis Reaches Parliament.

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mothermachine said:
The jury is still very much out on this one. There is a lot of evidence that it can, and a lot that it doesn't. It's way too early to be drawing conclusions about this.

Frankly when I hear most people talking about pot these days it sounds an awful lot like people used to sound way back when cigs were considered absolutely fine and sometimes an actual health benefit. I will not be surprised at all if, in 20-30 years' time people look back at pot-smoking and wondered how it was ever legalised or done at all and that there are all sorts of negative side-effects that will be discovered. I mean you're burning something and inhaling it - common sense should tell you that this should come with some negative side-effects, even if it does have some benefits for some people in some cases.

As a personal side note: I've known a lot of pot-smokers over the years and the vast majority of them ended up wasting their school and uni life away in a cloud of smoke and ended up with bad grades or having to repeat years. I think a few went on to do good things and got good jobs but most didn't. So the issue here isn't just biological/physiological health - it's social health and well-being, too.
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Mate theres never been a proven death as a result of cannabis.

People are already burning tobacco and smoking it with the added substance of nicotine which is the most dangerous substance that is currently legal.

And Alcohol is even worse, how many people does it kill, how many car accidents does it cause, how many phone calls to the police does alcohol cause, how many hospital patients are in there because of alcohol? How many of these things that i have listed can be accosiated to cannabis. None with the exception of car accidents maybe but you have to be stupid to drive and smoke in the first place because when your high you still have your inhabitions and common sense unlike alcohol.
 
Frodo1805 said:
I agree with you completely but thats just the way it is they can't actively voice there opinion against the law regardless of what they think thats why there robotic puppets who can't and do not accossiate with common people because they are brainwashed. thats my point anyway, thats a different thread and a different time tho :p
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But if they couldn't voice their opinion, then he wouldn't have made the statements he made:
  • I'm okay with medical cannabis, if proven by medical studies.
  • I'm okay with recreational cannabis.
Both statements endorse the use of a drug which is currently illegal, thus the reason cannot be because of his oath or his job. It must be another reason.

Jeez Burnsy2023, speak up already. :p
 
Longbow said:
But if they couldn't voice their opinion, then he wouldn't have made the statements he made:
  • I'm okay with medical cannabis, if proven by medical studies.
  • I'm okay with recreational cannabis.
Both statements endorse the use of a drug which is currently illegal, thus the reason cannot be because of his oath or his job. It must be another reason.

Jeez Burnsy2023, speak up already. :p
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I could be wrong, i didn't see those posts either. Cmon burnsy2023 lets us know.
 
jumpy said:
Much of the prohibition of illegal drugs like cannabis makes them almost impossible to research for their potential medical uses. What we have today is rotal evidence that cannbis can help those with epilepsy, or parkinsons and other neurological conditions, with some very limited research into the medical usefulness of these substances.

I find it very shortsighted for lawmakers to discount so completely the possibilities for these drugs to be of uses other than illegal recreation. I'd put much of this attitude down to politicians (not scientists) and their desperate grasp on power to not be seen to be 'pro drugs' in any sense, not just in the case of medical research.

Personally I'd decriminalise just about all of the drugs out there, with one or two notably lethal exceptions.
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Don't forget cancer and MS.. There's mounting evidence that it's useful for a vast array of illness, but the political stigma and the fact its unprofitable for big pharma to research means the official research is slow.
 
Longbow said:
That still doesn't make any sense.

Police are there to uphold the law, doesn't mean they can't have an opinion outside of work. Besides even if it was against the oath, then saying the same about medical cannabis would be the same.
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My reasons for not supporting recreational cannabis are due to the evidence not due to my role.

I spent a lot of time reading the available evidence last year and one of the more useful papers was Prof Nutt's 2007 study of drug harms. Whilst cannabis is by no means the most harmful drug, it's important to realize there is harm to both the user and others. Most of the harm to the user is caused by the method of intake but there are measurable harms to family life etc

Whilst I think that the country would be better off not legitimizing a substance that leads to breakdown of relationships, I do think there is evidence to support decriminalization, although not full legalization. Decriminalization could help the state to get people off cannabis in a similar way to how they help smokers kick the habit - through medical intervention.

For the record, I do need to be careful what I say here, but I believe I can justify all my comments.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Should be legalised full stop to ensure a safe supply for people who want to use it, to keep money out of criminals hands, to generate jobs/tax for the economy. There is no downside as people who want to use it, use it anyway, people that don't won't suddenly want to. Then if it was legal the questions over medical use or not would become pointless as they can get and try it anyway.
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Would users be banned from driving, operating machinery etc?
 
mothermachine said:
The jury is still very much out on this one. There is a lot of evidence that it can, and a lot that it doesn't. It's way too early to be drawing conclusions about this.

Frankly when I hear most people talking about pot these days it sounds an awful lot like people used to sound way back when cigs were considered absolutely fine and sometimes an actual health benefit. I will not be surprised at all if, in 20-30 years' time people look back at pot-smoking and wondered how it was ever legalised or done at all and that there are all sorts of negative side-effects that will be discovered. I mean you're burning something and inhaling it - common sense should tell you that this should come with some negative side-effects, even if it does have some benefits for some people in some cases.

As a personal side note: I've known a lot of pot-smokers over the years and the vast majority of them ended up wasting their school and uni life away in a cloud of smoke and ended up with bad grades or having to repeat years. I think a few went on to do good things and got good jobs but most didn't. So the issue here isn't just biological/physiological health - it's social health and well-being, too.
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Couldnt agree more
 
dirtychinchilla said:
You can intake cannabis in different ways that aren't smoking it.

There's absolutely ZERO reason not to legalise it for recreational purposes. Any reason they can come up with is evidently highly outweighed by the arguments against alcohol legalisation, which we all know is substantially worse for you.

About 9,000 people die from alcohol related illnesses each year (I thought it would be more tbh) and between about 5 and 20 die from cannabis related illness each year. No brainer really!
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This is irrelevant as there are far more people that drink alcohol than ingest cannibis. If you wanted to be mroe accurate it should be a % figure. Also i thought cannibis was harmless? 5 - 20 people is quite a large number when you look at the ammount of people that use it.
 
It's also worth noting that herbal cannabis doesn't have the same issues with contamination that other powered drugs do. Cannabis resin does occasionally have issues with contaminants due to the refinement process, but again this is less than other drugs.

My point is that legalizing it won't help safety for the majority of users.
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
This is irrelevant as there are far more people that drink alcohol than ingest cannibis. If you wanted to be mroe accurate it should be a % figure. Also i thought cannibis was harmless? 5 - 20 people is quite a large number when you look at the ammount of people that use it.
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It's also worth mentioning that the fact that tobacco and alcohol are harmful and legal is more of an argument to ban them than legalise another harmful (albeit less harmful) substance.
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
last time i checked tobacco was a plant? Smoking is bad enough and it would never have been made legal if it was new. Why should we legalise something that wil. Peoples health and be another drain on the NHS like we already do with alcohol and tobacco?]

One could argue that the cost to the nhs would be vastly overshadowed by the savings in law enforcement, and the subsequent cost to the economy from people being rendered unemployable due to reletively very minor criminal charges. It wold also disolve a lot of the organised crime aspect.

You need to consider the wider social cost to the tax payers.
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Frodo1805 said:
Mate theres never been a proven death as a result of cannabis.
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Off the top of my head Gemma Moss(UK) died from it. World wide I have no idea.
According to the US CDC(Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) induced death by cannabis is very high.

What the yanks mean by " induced death" is up for discussion.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
It's also worth mentioning that the fact that tobacco and alcohol are harmful and legal is more of an argument to ban them than legalise another harmful (albeit less harmful) substance.
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I agree, tobacco would never have been legalised in the modern day and i imagine strong alcohol such as spirits i doubt would have been as well. Alcohol was drank so much in the past due to the quality of water as it wasnt safe to drink. The alcohol made it safe to drink, hence, why so much beer and wine used to be drank.
 
I misunderstood earlier, I wasn't talking from a medical application, but a decriminalisation POV.

If it was used in a non-smoked form for medicinal use only then maybe I would be okay with it.
 
mothermachine said:
As a personal side note: I've known a lot of pot-smokers over the years and the vast majority of them ended up wasting their school and uni life away in a cloud of smoke and ended up with bad grades or having to repeat years. I think a few went on to do good things and got good jobs but most didn't. So the issue here isn't just biological/physiological health - it's social health and well-being, too.
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If I had to give a simple yes or no answer, I would say legalise it. However I do have to agree with your point. I've known a few guys that smoked it daily and they were all underachievers that never seemed to get anything done. So if I had a teenage child that was (say) showing great academic promise it would definitely worry me if I thought they had started toking.
 
jumpy said:
apart from social reasons, Burnsy has to because of his job.
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I know 3 long serving full time cops who are in favour of total decriminalisation but obviously their views wouldn't affect how they do the job, I would imagine most cops don't support many of the laws they enforce.
 
Mr Badger said:
If I had to give a simple yes or no answer, I would say legalise it. However I do have to agree with your point. I've known a few guys that smoked it daily and they were all underachievers that never seemed to get anything done. So if I had a teenage child that was (say) showing great academic promise it would definitely worry me if I thought they had started toking.
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So if it would worry you then why think it should be legalised? Im confused lol
 
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