Adopting Swedish Headlight Discipline

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As we all know, this winter has been particularly, dreary, dark, wet and British.

Yet I am astounded by the amount of people I see on a daily basis who have no idea that headlights are not just for the hours of darkness. Countless people drive through torrential rain without so much as a sidelight illuminated, and the other night I drove home past three cars with no lights at all showing well after dark. I could understand if they just had sidelights on, but how can you possibly drive a car for any sort of distance without noticing that nothing in your cockpit is illuminated?

It really surprises me how little people seem to understand how important making your car visible is. Many of the roads around me are tree-enclosed country lanes, and even in the brightest of sunshine, dappled shade can make an oncoming car hard to spot. Similarly, in the autumn and spring, travelling east/west at rush hour can be a nightmare on the motorway - the sun right in your mirrors rendering any car without headlights on impossible to see.

More and more cars are now coming equipped with DRLs, and although at first I thought they were a bit of a pointless gimmick, I am now seeing their true potential - it means even the most lazy or ignorant of drivers will always have their car illuminated somewhat when driving, so I'm glad of their introduction. But DRLs don't illuminate the tail lights, which can also be a problem sometime.

With that in mind, I was thinking about the Swedish rule, whereby all cars are required to have their headlights illuminated at all times, and thought that it wouldn't be such a bad idea over here. We obviously don't get the extended hours of darkness that Sweden does, but we suffer from very dim conditions for a large part of the year, and much inclement weather. But unfortunately that's coupled with a driving population who seem wholly uneducated about the importance of being seen.

What say you OCUK? Would you support a move to mandatory headlights at all times? Do you think it would help? Would it be a problem? About the only disadvantage I can think of is that motorcyclists might lose their advantage of being contrasted against other vehicles with no lights on. Otherwise though, I can't help thinking it might improve standards on our roads.
 
Good idea in theory, but I bet loads of people would leave their lights on and walk away from their cars, so we'd be left with thousands of cars with flat batteries everywhere. I've done it myself a few times when I've had my lights on during the day, but my massive battery has allowed me to get away with it :p
 
As the driver of a very small car, I'm extremely aware of the need to make it visible. Thankfully it has some pretty bright DRLs that do just that for oncoming traffic.

However, I was taught that if visibility is bad or conditions are getting dark, sidelights are to illuminate your vehicle to others. Headlights are used when YOU need to see what's coming up. Then, for very poor conditions you can use fog lights to make your car even more visible to others. Whether that's right or not, I don't know, but there's some logic to it.
 
As the driver of a very small car, I'm extremely aware of the need to make it visible. Thankfully it has some pretty bright DRLs that do just that for oncoming traffic.

However, I was taught that if visibility is bad or conditions are getting dark, sidelights are to illuminate your vehicle to others. Headlights are used when YOU need to see what's coming up. Then, for very poor conditions you can use fog lights to make your car even more visible to others.

Agreed, sidelights at the very least would be helpful, and mean your tail lights are also illuminated. But I've driven past some cars with absolutely ****-poor sidelights when it's very dim/overcast and even then they can be hard to distinguish.

On a side rant: the amount of people who have both a headlight bulb AND a sidelight bulb out on the same side. In my experience, bulbs blow very rarely, so how long are these people leaving checking their bulbs for that they've had two go on the same side and not bothered to replace them? :mad:
 
I think we have to come to terms with the fact that most people don't care about car maintenance and will do the minimum to get by, sometimes less until they're called on it (read, pulled over or MOT).

As for those with poor sidelights, they probably don't even know as they're usually in the car when they're on. This only seems to be an issue with older vehicles, so will go away.

My main bugbear with lights now is those running around with their headlights as high as possible at some crazy unnecessary level of brightness. I notice a lot of new German cars have needlessly bright headlights. They blind me when I'm driving the go cart, especially when poorly adjusted.
 
so how long are these people leaving checking their bulbs for that they've had two go on the same side and not bothered to replace them? :mad:
I've had both my headlights go in a week,
as it was peeing down all week I wasn't inclined to fix them :p
Done now though.

I notice a lot of new German cars have needlessly bright headlights.
Yep,

People think that having headlights on make you more visible, which it does to an extent.

BUT, it also destroys any distance perception, so yes I can see you but I've now less of an idea how far away you are or how fast you are travelling.
All I can see is the equivalent of lens flare.

Some research on this would be nice. Save us from cars lit up like a disco ball.
 
It's also law in Hungary and Romania to have your headlamps on 24x7, which I discovered when I drove down there last summer. Not that many of the locals observed the law.
 
one of my pet hates on the road too.

I normally stick my side lights on at all times, can just leave the switch and the ignition cuts the lights off, and if there is a decent downpour then I stuck dipped on. There should be rear DRL's being introduced now imo as a replacement for switchable sidelights
 
Indeed. The GT86 has DRLs and automatic headlights which seem very sensitive and come on as soon as light levels drop even a little. But even so, I'm now in the habit of at least putting the sidelights on for every car I get in and drive.
 
I pretty much always driving with my dipped beams on unless I forget.
Wont cause lens flare in the day but goes some way to making me more visable :)
 
Since owning my S2000 I always have my headlights on all of the time. Its a habit and I'd prefer them to be on. You can't always notice the light dropping, and it protects you from 'sorry mate I didn't see you' a bit more.
 
low sunlight can make it impossible to see cars without lights on sometimes.
We need more cars with lights on.
 
Rules I live by:

If wipers are permanently required - Dipped beam on.
If sidelights are needed - Dipped beam on. Absolutely no point running sidelights only.
Periods of darkness - Dipped beam on, main beam in all possible situations.

Main beam not used when - Observational advantage to be gained without them (seeing oncoming headlights around bends, from junctions etc). Using them would dazzle other road users. There is no advantage to be gained (Highly illuminated areas.)
 
IMO side lights should be banned. They are generally so dim they cannot be seen even in good conditions and some drivers seem to think they are appropriate in bad conditions. Or they forget that they have onlt got their sidelights on and think they have their main beam on due to the dash being illuminated.

On a personal note - WHY HAVE SIDELIGHTS ON WHEN YOU CAN SNAP THE KNOB ON NOTCH MORE AND BE 50X MORE VISIBLE!? GRRRRR
 
I know the past 2 new cars ive had a VX and Ford where the cockpit is always illuminated ie when you enter a dark tunnel or at night its alway illuminated without having the lights on, so I can imagine it is possible to think your lights on but you dont. Only for a brief moment mind while you wonder why the view in front is dark them you switch them on. But I see it a lot where they don't even realise they have no lights on madnes!!!

Also when raining quite hard on a motorway quite a few drivers travel far too fast for the conditions producing a lot of spray while they travel at 80MPH with no lights and do not indicate to pass so you have no idea they are there, idiots.

My main gripe is dipped beam blown bulbs. You think a bike is behind but infact its a car!! Also those who have super brigjt lights on full beam travelling behind you, its enough to go mad. Oh and break lights out.

People its not hard to drive with a bit of common sense and courtesy. Check you lights work regularly and drive sensibly, you are not the only road user.
 
It's law in Finland too.

I notice a lot of cars here do have their lights on during the day. My employers pool cars have them them on permanently. You can't move the stalk at all- theyre on dipped all day and night. I think it is a bigger hazard to he blinded by some knobber who can't find the dimmer/angle settings than it is to not have your lights on at all during general wet day time. I generally never 'almost don't notice' someone without lights at twilight or when the weather is bad. Lights on for a combination of those though.
 
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