Electronic cigarettes pros and cons.

Rilot said:
Except none of the tobacco companies produce e-cigs.
Nothing I use has been anywhere near a large tobacco company.
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howiepoohs is speaking from a position of ignorance, as shown by his assumption that e-cigs are made by the tobacco companies.

He's an ex-smoker who gave up using NRT so I suspect there's a bit of "I did the hard way so therefore I'm better than you" about it. In my experience, I've gotten quite a bit of bitterness from ex-smokers who quit without electronic cigarettes, especially those who did it before they were available (which playing amateur psychologist comes from the green-eyed monster and falls into the same bracket as old men who say 'it was hard in my day not like kids today with their easy lives').
 
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howiepoohs said:
I see vaping as a method for tobacco companies (and others) to continue to keep smokers(ex) addicted to nicotine so they can continue to profit off you. Why would you want to have to keep using ecigs when a much cleaner and cheaper way is to stop? Of course the health benefits of vaping are really good. I am not saying vaping is bad, it's just a poor alternative to actually stopping nicotine addiction. Everyone I know who uses ecigs ether ends up smoking again or still has the "odd fag" now and again to supplement. I am fully aware that nicotine is not the carcinogen and that combustion is the cause. It's the aromatic hydrocarbons that cause cancer, not tobacco. If vaping has worked for you then great! At least you are not polluting my air any more but I still see it more like giving a heroine addict methadone rather than getting them to go cold turkey.
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Do you object to Starbucks and Costa for flogging their drug to the masses? I know I don't. As Rilot and Esteybanrey have said, who cares as long as the product is safe and allows people who use harmful tobacco products to enjoy nicotine in a much safer product?
 
estebanrey said:
howiepoohs is speaking from a position of ignorance, as shown by his assumption that e-cigs are made by the tobacco companies.
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I said tobacco companies and OTHERS
estebanrey said:
He's an ex-smoker who gave up using NRT so I suspect there's a bit of "I did the hard way so therefore I'm better than you" about it.
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That's just it, it's NOT hard giving with patches. Of course I don't have any attitude, just an experience of giving up which helped me enormously.

estebanrey said:
In my experience, I've gotten quite a bit of bitterness from ex-smokers who quit with electronic cigarettes, especially those who did it before they were available (which playing amateur psychologist comes from the green-eyed monster and falls into the same bracket as old men who say 'it was hard in my day not like kids today with their easy lives).
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I tried vaping and failed with it. Like I said, vaping just replaces the highs and lows of nicotine addiction. You are still addicted to a substance you do not need or benefit from IN ANY WAY and you are still paying for this privilege.

It's great that this is a viable alternative for some people and it's great that these people are no longer causing poor air quality around pub doorways and outside my office.
 
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Devrij said:
who cares as long as the product is safe and allows people who use harmful tobacco products to enjoy nicotine in a much safer product?
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The issue is that many people do not understand that smoking or vaping is a pleasurable experience and that's one of the reasons we do it.
They assume, smoking = bad and that people who do it only do it because they are addicted and therefore replacing it with something else also = bad.

I mean, we could all give up coffee, fatty foods, sugar, salt, beer and everything else. We'd be healthy and miserable.
 
howiepoohs said:
I tried vaping and failed with it. Like I said, vaping just replaces the highs and lows of nicotine addiction. You are still addicted to a substance you do not need or benefit from IN ANY WAY and you are still paying for this privilege.
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I mentioned it earlier, but what about people who completely quit nicotine using e-cigs, but continue using the devices regularly for the flavour and general enjoyment?
 
howiepoohs said:
I said tobacco companies and OTHERS
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Still doesn't detract from the fact that currently there isn't an e-cig on the market currently made by a tobacco company, and that e-cig harm, not help, their business.

howiepoohs said:
That's just it, it's NOT hard giving with patches. Of course I don't have any attitude, just an experience of giving up which helped me enormously.
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Again, the fact 88% of people fail with patches suggest that for most it is hard.


howiepoohs said:
I tried vaping and failed with it. Like I said, vaping just replaces the highs and lows of nicotine addiction. You are still addicted to a substance you do not need or benefit from IN ANY WAY and you are still paying for this privilege.
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Sigh, you do benefit from it. It is a stimulant and relaxant. I benefit from it in the same way as caffeine and I have no plans to quite that either.

I am paying much less than I was on tobacco. Now I have my mod and make my own juices I spend less than a quid a week on vaping.

howiepoohs said:
It's great that this is a viable alternative for some people and it's great that these people are no longer causing poor air quality around pub doorways and outside my office.
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And that they aren't killing themselves
 
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