GeForce 750Ti – Runs Battlefield 4 Better Than PS4 & Titanfall Better Than Xbox One

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

REPEAT POST.

 

[triss]

REPEAT POST.

Since you seem to be in a bad mood i'll break Change my mood and reply one more in Cat style

Point A please point me to these posts of mine in bweteen your graph spam, oh right none of my posts there ,Wrong one count
Point B please point to any post i made that stated indicate you dont own a Nvidia card? opps once again wrong thats two
Point C i personaly dont care what cards someone owns
For someone that says everyone else is ignoring them and not reading posts your not doing well
Spam wise did it help reposting graphs or did people simply decide you wernt worth bothering as you went aggressive??
oh feel free aswell to show whatever posts i singled you out as being someone with a agenda
My words "Its just annoying how certain people on both sides often seem to try and push a agenda against certain vendors when a card is mentioned or released" dont see u mentioned there btw

You seem to ignored and deflected these points you made...


Your posts on power usage were also silly but i didn't deem to bother with them before
saying you GPU already runs off say a 300w power supply Doesnt change the fact a 60 watt card uses less..
Yes we know a 120 watt card will do more but that doesnt change the fact it uses more power which is what Some people like
Same reason people have 20 watt light bulbs instead of 40 's or 80's instead of 100's , it may not be a lot of power but it adds up to them and they feel better

Now i'm out your just too silly to play with

 

[humbug]

So Basically, in this Desktop GPU forum, the the argument is 750TI performs better than Game Consoles. Why does this matter to us?

In anycase, it performs worse than other Desktop GPU's in the same price bracket, but thats not the issue in this Desktop GPU forum, this is about Game Consoles because it performs better.

Is this thread not in the Wrong Room to start with?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Since you seem to be in a bad mood i'll break Change my mood and reply one more in Cat style


You seem to ignored and deflected these points you made...


Your posts on power usage were also silly but i didn't deem to bother with them before
saying you GPU already runs off say a 300w power supply Doesnt change the fact a 60 watt card uses less..
Yes we know a 120 watt card will do more but that doesnt change the fact it uses more power which is what Some people like
Same reason people have 20 watt light bulbs instead of 40 's or 80's instead of 100's , it may not be a lot of power but it adds up to them and they feel better

Now i'm out your just too silly to play with

Yet the GTX750TI is still slower. At this end of the market every bit of performance is important. For anyone not indoctrinated by the whole new=better stuff,the GTX660 and R9 270 are simply better buys.Period.

The GTX660 and R9 270 at £120 to £135 are fantastic cards,which are being negated for no reason,apart from "old model" E-PEEN.

Also as indicated earlier there is at least a £48 difference between the GTX750TI and the R9 270 on Newegg in the US.

Here,the difference is as little as £15. The same applies to the GTX660.

The GTX750TI will fall back more and more as time progresses compared to the GTX660 and R9 270.

I have never seen such string belief for a graphics card in the last decade. However,I expect all the pictures I post from three different reviews will be ignored by indoctrinated,called spam and then it will be made out in some way that I HATE Nvidia.

The cheap person pays twice.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So Basically, in this Desktop GPU forum, the the argument is 750TI performs better than Game Consoles. Why does this matter to us?

In anycase, it performs worse than other Desktop GPU's in the same price bracket, but thats not the issue in this Desktop GPU forum, this is about Game Consoles because it performs better.

Is this thread not in the Wrong Room to start with?

Don't say that!! You might get set on by the GTX750TI defence possi,with their continually changing arguments and selective reading,even with screenshots posted. They seem to react badly to anyone pointing out their beloved SKU is not as great value in the UK. They must believe in a brighter future where NEW is ALWAYS better than OLD.

They also believe in all the PR from PSU companies too,so they can spend MOAR money on a 850W PSU to run a Pentium dual core. Because you need to right?

Funny Valve only used a 450W SFX PSU to run a Core i7 4770 and a Geforce Titan. Its gonna explode!! Most literally a SteamBox.

But OTH,I might be going about this wrong.

They believe so much in the GTX750TI,that it must make them feel good about life.

Hence,maybe I forgotten about the life extending abilities of the GTX750TI.

Looks like the GTX750TI defence possi were right all along,and I was mistaken.

That is worth more than any large performance improvements in games.

Looks like the GTX750TI has clinched the deal!!! Lower power consumption plus life extension. Not even the GTX780TI can deal with that sort of combo. Move aside Kepler and GCN,the GM108 is in the house.

I am going to have to replace this cruddy old GTX660 with some new GTX750TI life enhancing,Panda saving luvvin soon,plus one of those HD 18.5" LED LCD monitor thingies. I heard they consume very little power,unlike those bad evil 24" monitors and 42" TVs which consume far more power and caused Cats to feel more grumpy.

I might be able to cut my PSU in half to 225W - I think that is how PSUs work right??

 

[bru]

I do have to agree with Humbug here. (I must stop doing that )

As for the GPU itself (GM107, 750, 750ti) it is replacing the (GK107, 630, 640, 650) now obviously the 750ti is fully implemented die and I'm sure there will be more cut down versions to fill out the lower ranks. But the big issue is the price, the out going 650 (full fat GK107) is £80 so just how Nvidia think that the 750ti (full fat GM107) is worth £114 I really don't understand.
Maybe they are stuck in the rut that normally happens with the really low end cards, 'they don't need more performance just the latest features, but wait our new card performs better, oh we better charge more for it then' I don't know.

One thing I will say is that due to the price it gets compared with the 660 which going by price is fair enough I suppose, but one thing to remember, is that the 660 is the full fat card from the next tier up (GK106). It just goes to emphasize the poor price I suppose.

 

[humbug]

I do have to agree with Humbug here. (I must stop doing that )

either i'm going sane or your going mad

 

[TheRealDeal]

I do have to agree with Humbug here. (I must stop doing that )

As for the GPU itself (GM107, 750, 750ti) it is replacing the (GK107, 630, 640, 650) now obviously the 750ti is fully implemented die and I'm sure there will be more cut down versions to fill out the lower ranks. But the big issue is the price, the out going 650 (full fat GK107) is £80 so just how Nvidia think that the 750ti (full fat GM107) is worth £114 I really don't understand.
Maybe they are stuck in the rut that normally happens with the really low end cards, 'they don't need more performance just the latest features, but wait our new card performs better, oh we better charge more for it then' I don't know.

One thing I will say is that due to the price it gets compared with the 660 which going by price is fair enough I suppose, but one thing to remember, is that the 660 is the full fat card from the next tier up (GK106). It just goes to emphasize the poor price I suppose.

Those graph's that cat posted make the 750ti look even worse as in most the 650 ti boost is showing it who's boss. I have not checked out the gtx650 ti boost power and price but surely that's same tier last gen beating out maxwell.

It does however use more power to do so. Still power use ain't everything as has well been argued in this thread.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I remember the HD7750 when it launched - it was decent for a bus powered card for its time,but even then I thought it was flipping overpriced. I think AMD believed its own hype at time. Once it hit £60 it make more sense,but even then I tended to recommend the HD7770(and the Nvidia equivalent) more often.

The same with this card. At £80(reference model) to £100(highly pre-overclocked model) it would have be a good alternative,to the GTX660 and R9 270 at £120 to £135.

Sadly,Nvidia believed its own hype and priced it high.

 

[TheRealDeal]

I remember the HD7750 when it launched - it was decent for a bus powered card for its time,but even then I thought it was flipping overpriced. I think AMD believed its own hype at time. Once it hit £60 it make more sense,but even then I tended to recommend the HD7770(and the Nvidia equivalent) more often.

The same with this card. At £80(reference model) to £100(highly pre-overclocked model) it would be a good alternative,to the GTX660 and R9 270 at £120 to £135.

Sadly,Nvidia believed its own hype and priced it high.

Yep the old saying comes to mind. It's not a bad card it's just priced wrong compared to whats on the market.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The worst thing is the AMD competitor is the R7 265,which is an HD7850 with a new sticker. The HD7850 has been £90 to £115 for the last 3 months at least.

Now we don't even get any games too.

Plus it might end up pushing the R9 270 prices to higher levels.

So price performance has stagnated even more and got worse.

I really hope the 20NM Maxwell and GCN2.0 cards at under £150 give us some serious improvements. At least 40% would be nice.

 

[humbug]

The worst thing is the AMD competitor is the R7 265,which is an HD7850 with a new sticker. The HD7850 has been £90 to £115 for the last 3 months at least.

Now we don't even get any games too.

Plus it might end up pushing the R9 270 prices to higher levels.

So price performance has stagnated even more and got worse.

I really hope the 20NM Maxwell and GCN2.0 cards at under £150 give us some serious improvements. At least 40% would be nice.

We need another Cayman to Tahiti / Fermi to Kepler type boost.

What we don't need is SKU's stripping out the GPU's guts.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Yep the old saying comes to mind. It's not a bad card it's just priced wrong compared to whats on the market.

Exactly.

To be honest, I don't think even the GTX660 and 270 needed to be brought into this; the GTX650Ti Boost is a last gen card launched at the same price (more or less) as the GTX750Ti, and the GTX750Ti is a new gen card that's same launch price as the last gen GTX650Ti Boost but is slower (not to mention having a pitiful 128-bit memory bus whereas the GTX650Ti Boost has 192-bit).

Lower power consumption aside, what Nvidia has done is pushed the GTX750Ti up to the pricing of card that is 1 tier up (I'm guessing the overpricing of the GTX760 at £200+ has partily to do with causing this). No matter how we look at it, the GTX750Ti should be the successor to the GTX650Ti (the one with 128-bit memory bus), not the GTX650Ti Boost.

 

[Gregster]

I think this card has angered CAT to the point of exploding Stupid nVidia and their stupid power efficiency

 

[Marine-RX179]

I think this card has angered CAT to the point of exploding Stupid nVidia and their stupid power efficiency

And their stupid 128-bit memory bus

Seriously, what I really don't get is why some people making such as big deal that's clearly in the wrong price bracket and is underperforming for that price bracket? That's nothing to write home about (even if it's bus-powered) if it's priced at above £100 with less performance than last gen card's that's launched at the same price bracket (GTX650Ti Boost).

Intel also focus on efficiency, but at least there are small improvements in performance, no going backward.

I don't think CAT is annoyed by Nvidia, but more annoyed by people pointlessly hyping up this particular card when it's not deserved.

Yes the 260 is a poor bang for bucks card same as the GTX750Ti, but at least it has value added with TrueAudio and Mantle (it is likely that most people buying this card would not be using a high-end CPU such as i5/i7, but with CPUs like i3, FX6 or less- which would benefit from Mantle); GTX750Ti has PhysX, but unlike TrueAudio, it is not really up to scratch to be used with this card and it take away GPU resource that are used for rendering and reduce the performance itself. Gsync...is same as non-existing unless someone has a supporting monitor (which ain't gonna be cheap), and as already point out, the GTX750Ti would most likely go into HTPC for used with TV, which would guarantee with no Gsync support.

Also, nobody really recommend the 260 at all...most people just completely ignore it, and recommend 7850 or 270/270x.

 

[Boomstick777]

And their stupid 128-bit memory bus

The extra L2 cache makes up for the bus deficit.

I don't think CAT is annoyed by Nvidia, but more annoyed by people pointlessly hyping up this particular card when it's not deserved.

I don't think anyone is hyping the GTX 750Ti, but rather the Maxwell architecture. What it was able to achieve on 28nm with fewer cores. I.e when this lands on 20nm and high end parts, it's something to get excited about if you enjoy high performance, compute power, mining performance etc all while being a lower power envelope/ more overclocking headroom. Most understand this, but some seem to getting focused on the 750Ti itself..

Roll on the high end..

 

[Gregster]

Agreed and TheTechReport sum it up for me.

In the larger picture, Maxwell's arrival signals a big change in the GPU space for the coming year. The only way AMD managed to maintain a good position on our value scatter plot with the R7 265 is by offering a much larger chip, with double the memory interface width and more than twice the power budget, for the same price as some fairly lightweight hardware from the competition. That's what happens when you lose the technology lead, as AMD has learned rather painfully in the CPU market in recent years. My expectation is that Nvidia will roll out a whole family of Maxwell-based products in the coming months. Those are likely to be much faster and more efficient than current Kepler-based cards. I'm not sure what AMD can do to answer other than drop prices. Heck, I don't think we know much of anything about the future Radeon roadmap. AMD seemingly just finished a refresh with the R7 and R9 series. Looks like they're going to need something more than another rehash of GCN in order to stay competitive in 2014.

http://techreport.com/review/26050/nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti-maxwell-graphics-processor/12

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Agreed and TheTechReport sum it up for me.


http://techreport.com/review/26050/nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti-maxwell-graphics-processor/12

I had a look on Newegg.

The cheapest GTX750TI is a Gigabyte one for around $160.

The cheapest R9 270 is a XFX one for around $240.

So that is an $80 difference,ie,around £48.

The cheapest GTX660 is $30 to $40 more and the HD7850 is price comparable but hardly in stock so is a no show.

However,you can understand why US reviews are more positive as a whole.

OTH,the GTX660 cards come with Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag so even in the US the GTX750TI is not a slam dunk over the GTX660.

In the UK the R9 270 is not so overpriced. So over here the GTX750TI has far more competition than in the US.

Another case of people in the UK reading conclusions of a US review with US pricing.

I cannot believe how obtuse people are being about pricing here,especially when it is evident the US has AMD card pricng issues ATM. Not the UK.

R9 270 and GTX660 cards which are faster,cost the same as GTX750TI cards. Not R7 265 ones. R9 270 and GTX660 ones.

Even in the TR review there is NO GTX660 or R9 270.

Yet the GTX650TI Boost and R7 265 are faster.

Both are hard to find in the US now.

If he had plonked in a GTX660,then game over:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125502
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125443

$30 difference and you get Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag.

That is cheapest to cheapest on Newegg.

The chap on TR said he had NO clue of what AMD was up to.

How often have we known ANYTHING about AMD launches until the last minute??

HD4000?? Nothing solid known right until launch.
HD5000?? Same.
HD6900?? Same.
HD7900?? Same.
R9 290?? Same.

They are tighter than a very tight clam when it comes to anything regarding GPU launches.

They could be just porting GCN1.1 to 20NM,or it could be the next HD5000 series for all we know.

What we do know is there next generation APUs are still 28NM. That should tell you AMD has to improve performance/watt of their GPUs,otherwise they are screwed in the IGP race. Their Kaveri replacement is at most 65W TDP on the same node with a bigger CPU,as opposed to 95W with Kaveri. There is only really one way for them to drop power consumption. I don't see it for the CPU myself.

20NM production is being reserved for Apple first,still indicating we might be some way away from 20NM cards. Moreover,some people are concentrating on the card itself indicated by the OP,so are lying.

The thing is if Nvidia had 20NM parts now,they would be hyping them especially at GPGPU events.

They did that with the GF100,GF110 and GK110.

The fact they are releasing yet another edition of Geforce Titan indicates there is still time,especially considering the fact that a 20NM GM104 would probably be as fast or faster than one.

Plus we would have some leaks already and if Nvidia knew AMD were six months behind in the race to 20NM or something they would be hyping to the moon by now,just to give a finger up at AMD.

Its not like they could keep it secret anyway.

They never hold back in that way.

Having said that AMD being first to 28NM didn't help them despite Nvidia being 3 months behind,so things might change this time.

It also does not change the fact price/performance has stagnated and even probably gotten worse in the £100 to £150 range now.

TL;DR
US pricing is different from UK pricing of competing parts.
Price/performance has stagnated in the UK.
Some are hyping the GTX750TI itself.
We don't know what the heck AMD is up to,and nobody outside AMD does. It could be a slam dunk for Nvidia or AMD at this point. Until we see the next gen uarch we cannot say. It could be the next HD2000 series(failure),or the HD4000 series(price/performance winner) or the HD5000 series(power and effiency winner).

But will Nvidia have the top fastest card?? Yep,and that is because they will make 500MM2 to 600MM2 dies for the GM110.

With Intel entering the compute market with Xeon Phi they really have no choice.

 

[humbug]

Agreed and TheTechReport sum it up for me.


http://techreport.com/review/26050/nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti-maxwell-graphics-processor/12

All AMD need to do is follow Nvidia in their race to the Bottom and do what Nvidia did.
Take their mobile GPU and Glue it to cut down DeskTop PCB.

Hey Presto, a 60 Watt 270.

 

[lettuce]

Is this card worth upgrading from my 560Ti that i have in my HTPC??