Hi guys and gals, just a quickie. Am looking to buy a 27inch 1440 monitor, with glossy screen, have been recommended the Iiyama Prolite XB2779QS by Overclockers but I was wondering if it might be worth holding out for the AOC Q2770Pqu as its meant to have a very light coating and the same panel as the Asus PB278Q. I have heard the Iiyama might get some backlight bleed if I am unlucky with the panel, but on the fence about which of the two to get. Any thoughts? Much appreciated.
27inch - AOC or Iiyama ?
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I recently added a 2 star review to the XB2779QS product page on OcUK. I had hoped that the Iiyama would be a good replacement for my DGM IPS 2701 which had a lot of dead pixels.
I had 2 of the XB2779QS monitors in 1 week. The backlight bleed was terrible. I didn't want to risk a 3rd one so I bought the Asus PB278Q instead which is superb BUT....
I reckon that the Iiyama would be an excellent "5 star" monitor if you got one with minimal backlight bleed.
The AG coating is very light on the Asus (as you have already mentioned) and I didn't have a problem moving from the glossy DGM to the not-quite-glossy Asus. However, it is generally accepted that a glossy panel makes the colours more vibrant.
I am quite "picky" when it comes to picture quality but like I said, I didn't really notice the difference but that's probably because I didn't see the 2 screens side-by-side for a comparison.
Also the Asus has a much better contrast ratio compared to the DGM, no dead pixels and hardly any backlight bleed. It does use PWM dimming which concerned me at the time because I do suffer from migraines but it has not affected me at all.
I had 2 of the XB2779QS monitors in 1 week. The backlight bleed was terrible. I didn't want to risk a 3rd one so I bought the Asus PB278Q instead which is superb BUT....
I reckon that the Iiyama would be an excellent "5 star" monitor if you got one with minimal backlight bleed.
The AG coating is very light on the Asus (as you have already mentioned) and I didn't have a problem moving from the glossy DGM to the not-quite-glossy Asus. However, it is generally accepted that a glossy panel makes the colours more vibrant.
I am quite "picky" when it comes to picture quality but like I said, I didn't really notice the difference but that's probably because I didn't see the 2 screens side-by-side for a comparison.
Also the Asus has a much better contrast ratio compared to the DGM, no dead pixels and hardly any backlight bleed. It does use PWM dimming which concerned me at the time because I do suffer from migraines but it has not affected me at all.
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This. You gotta play the RMA game till you get one with minimal/no backlight bleed. I finally bought this monitor 10 days ago after having read about this issue on this forum, mine also has bleed and unfortunately there is 1 place where the bleed is intrusive and obvious, so I'm going to go for a replacement (after considering it for 10 days and trying to fix it with gentle tapping and massage) hoping the next one will be fine - easy with OCUK you just send them a pic and they see for themselves that the bleed is unacceptably bad.
EDIT: here are 2 pics from my Iiyama, one in the dark, one with yellowish lighting in the room. Note that what you see on the 4 corners of the screen is 5% bleed 95% reflection and is not visible with the eye, that's just the camera of my phone not being very good. On the other hand, the bleed below the webcam and on the bottom middle of the screen are visible.
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad155/tp00032/2014-02-21-308_zpsb7fe7ec0.jpg
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad155/tp00032/2014-02-21-307_zpsf6be1247.jpg
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Pay the extra and get the Asus PB278Q 
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-043-AS&tool=3
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-043-AS&tool=3
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Thanks for the heads up, I had noticed the AoC was generally available but had hoped OC might stock it sometime soon. Lets hope..
Thats my worry, especially after seeing the replies here. I am used to a smaller NEC 20wgx thats been perfect to date, no dead pixels and no backlight bleed at all, its glossy. I had hoped I could find something similar quality with my next monitor. Seems its pretty much of a lottery on whats good.
Like yourself I am quite fussy with picture quality as my eyes give me hassles now and then and I dont want to add to it with a poor monitor. Although I have not seen the Asus in person, every monitor I have checked out at any local store (unfortunately OC is not local) puts me right off the antiglare coating, hence wanting to stick with a glossy. Its really the only thing putting me off the Asus, hence the AoC (supposed to be the same panel) was an option.
Right now it seems am betting between a known quantity (Iiyama) but random luck on the back light and an unknown in the AoC which has no reviews...I would throw money at the Samsung but that now seems very hard to find. Arrgg lol
Thanks though for the insight, really not sure I want to do a cycle of RMAing Iiyama over and over, spending money on return postage, just adds to the overall cost.
that surely adds to the overall cost with return postage all the time..
Thats very good of OC and the reason I also wish to buy through them, they have always provided great service and are understanding with monitor issues. Sorry to hear yours is not bearable, but after paying so much its best to get something you are happy with - makes me very hesitant.
Thanks for the pics, thats a huge amount of backlight bleed isnt it!? Well maybe not, I know with cameras its always trying to enhance (esp on phones) the light, just checked my screen with my iphone camera and although its black to the eye, I see some bleed with the phone so I can understand what your seeing more now, thanks for that.
Time to place an order and just see then
Pay the extra and get the Asus PB278Q
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-043-AS&tool=3
Unfortunately I would but not a fan of antiglare coatings.. now if Asus did it without the coating lol
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It is frustrating trying to find a glossy 24" or 27" monitor.
I ordered (not from OC) a Dell U2414h, but have just sent it back. Although the anti glare is supposed to be lighter on that model, against my old HP w2207h, the Dell looked pixilated and the image lacked depth. The light bleed along the top edge was also poor for a premium monitor.
That experience has brought me back to the search for a glossy monitor and I'm very tempted to pull the trigger on the XB2779QS. I would have preferred a 24" or even 23", but there don't appear to be any glossy models available.
Why is it that many laptops are glossy and HDTV's but not monitors?
I ordered (not from OC) a Dell U2414h, but have just sent it back. Although the anti glare is supposed to be lighter on that model, against my old HP w2207h, the Dell looked pixilated and the image lacked depth. The light bleed along the top edge was also poor for a premium monitor.
That experience has brought me back to the search for a glossy monitor and I'm very tempted to pull the trigger on the XB2779QS. I would have preferred a 24" or even 23", but there don't appear to be any glossy models available.
Why is it that many laptops are glossy and HDTV's but not monitors?
@NickOw: OCUK offered me free return with DPD in case my screen has any problems (I wrote to customer support before buying to make sure I wouldn't end up paying a lot in RMA costs). But I haven't return my screen yet, so lets see if they will honor their words. Ofc I don't know if they do this on common practice.
@mattyg: for films all you care is vibrant colours and largest contrast ratio. For games you want lowest ms and no ghosting/overshoot, for photo you need colorz! So that's why I would put the Iiyama 2779 as best for movies (assuming no bleed), the Iiyama and the Viewsonic VP2770 and the Asus PB278Q as best contenders for games, and some other 10bit screen for photo editing, probably the Asus PA279Q.
The problem with me is that I have owned an Asus PA246Q for about 2 years now and this has raised my standards a lot. I will not settle for worse colours or bad latency/overshoot/ghosting. As I have been in a market for a new larger screen with that in mind its very hard to get anything better, especially that even at 1000GBP there is nothing that will be equal/better in ALL aspects. If you buy those 1000GBP 10 bit monitors, they have bad latency and overshoot, if you buy cheaper you either get worse colours (Viewsonic), no improvement anywhere if not worse colours (Asus PB278Q), or they are good improvements that have other issues (ie Iiyama with backlight bleed). The 27" 1440p market is really not mainstream yet and plagued with issues.
@mattyg: for films all you care is vibrant colours and largest contrast ratio. For games you want lowest ms and no ghosting/overshoot, for photo you need colorz! So that's why I would put the Iiyama 2779 as best for movies (assuming no bleed), the Iiyama and the Viewsonic VP2770 and the Asus PB278Q as best contenders for games, and some other 10bit screen for photo editing, probably the Asus PA279Q.
The problem with me is that I have owned an Asus PA246Q for about 2 years now and this has raised my standards a lot. I will not settle for worse colours or bad latency/overshoot/ghosting. As I have been in a market for a new larger screen with that in mind its very hard to get anything better, especially that even at 1000GBP there is nothing that will be equal/better in ALL aspects. If you buy those 1000GBP 10 bit monitors, they have bad latency and overshoot, if you buy cheaper you either get worse colours (Viewsonic), no improvement anywhere if not worse colours (Asus PB278Q), or they are good improvements that have other issues (ie Iiyama with backlight bleed). The 27" 1440p market is really not mainstream yet and plagued with issues.
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FYI I am RMAing my Iiyama on Monday (ocuk got me free DPD return) and getting a refund as there are no more in stock and there is no ETA for new ones. I'll probably go for the dell 2713hm instead.
NickOw I'm waiting to see if you will notice backlight bleed on yours. Rly hope u'll get a good one cause the screen is otherwise awesome.
NickOw I'm waiting to see if you will notice backlight bleed on yours. Rly hope u'll get a good one cause the screen is otherwise awesome.
Thanks, when I spoke to them today they had 10+ in stock. strange that you were told something different. I did mention the free DPD return and they agreed to that also, so fingers crossed I dont have to use it! Sorry you have had continued issues with what seems a great monitor if it wasnt for the bleed.
Edit : btw if you go for the Dell let us know what you think of it, especially the ag coating, would be very interested in how you find it compared to the glossy Iiyama...
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Ok I will, but right now I can compare to the Asus PA246Q which I had (and passed it to my flatmate). Asus's quality AG coating is totally invisible compared to a glossy screen. However the Iiyama's bright range of colour is more pronounced and shiny due to the glossy screen, but you can tell the difference ONLY if you stand next to each other and its quite small.
I can't comment on their 27", but I recently bought 3 AOC 23" IPS monitors ( i2369vm ), and the pictures are perfect. All 3 have zero dead pixels, and no light bleed. A few reviews mentioned that the blacks let it down, but once you have a play with their i-menu software, you can sort that out.
I've got to say, I think AOC have some of the best backs for a monitor, I no you can't see the back, but brushed ally effect is always a nice touch.
I've got to say, I think AOC have some of the best backs for a monitor, I no you can't see the back, but brushed ally effect is always a nice touch.
@NickOw
Got the Dell today so here is my impression as you asked:
The glossy screen does make a difference. I do notice things being a little crispier on the Iiyama due to the glossy+more brightness+better contrast overall result. However I find the dell to be more relaxing to the eye. The dell I received seems to have absolutely 0 bleed and 1 stuck dull-red coloured pixel which may disappear at some point, but at least has 0 dead ones.
Overall, the dell's casing feels cheaper, the stand is equal to the Iiyama's, the OSD of the dell is better and simpler, the overdrive is better implemented in the dell. The Dell has one MAJOR disadvantage however: the screen is 1-2cm inside the casing, unlike the Iiyama that gives you the impression the panel is right on the front, due to its glass cover. This means you get the impression you are looking at the screen in a box (in the Dell), rather than thinking the panel is the only thing that exists. I'm not sure if I make myself clear here
Overall, even if its the same LG AH-IPS panel on both brands, the experience is slightly different, equally satisfying. With major advantage of dell being more friendly to the eye while the Iiyama being more "eye-popping" exactly as reviews have described. Also, the Dell's colours seem a tad warmer, exactly in the same tone as my previous Asus PA246Q monitor but this might be the "matte vs glossy" effect.
Got the Dell today so here is my impression as you asked:
The glossy screen does make a difference. I do notice things being a little crispier on the Iiyama due to the glossy+more brightness+better contrast overall result. However I find the dell to be more relaxing to the eye. The dell I received seems to have absolutely 0 bleed and 1 stuck dull-red coloured pixel which may disappear at some point, but at least has 0 dead ones.
Overall, the dell's casing feels cheaper, the stand is equal to the Iiyama's, the OSD of the dell is better and simpler, the overdrive is better implemented in the dell. The Dell has one MAJOR disadvantage however: the screen is 1-2cm inside the casing, unlike the Iiyama that gives you the impression the panel is right on the front, due to its glass cover. This means you get the impression you are looking at the screen in a box (in the Dell), rather than thinking the panel is the only thing that exists. I'm not sure if I make myself clear here
Overall, even if its the same LG AH-IPS panel on both brands, the experience is slightly different, equally satisfying. With major advantage of dell being more friendly to the eye while the Iiyama being more "eye-popping" exactly as reviews have described. Also, the Dell's colours seem a tad warmer, exactly in the same tone as my previous Asus PA246Q monitor but this might be the "matte vs glossy" effect.
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Thought I would add my 2 pence to this topic of the Iiyama Prolite XB2779QS-S.
The Bad:
- Mine also suffered quite bad backlight bleed even with the brightness at 20, you can clearly see huge blotches of light on most backgrounds. You could pretty much forget watching films.
- Sickly burning rubber smell even after 1 week of ownership. This is most pungent when the monitor is turned on.
The Good:
-Amazing colour accuracy and well calibrated out of the box. You need to turn the brightness down to about 20 and contrast to 50/51 if you value your sight as this monitor is BRIGHT.
-Very solid and well put together. No flex in the chassis at all.
-Surprisingly light weight and can be mounted to almost all desk mounts thanks to VESA compliant mounting holes.
-Clear and easy to use OSD
-Can have the DVI & HDMI cables plugged in at the same time. A few monitors I reviewed couldn't have both plugged in even if only 1 source was active.
As expected, OcUK have been brilliant. A quick message in the CS forums with a photo of the backlight bleed and a replacement is being organised this week.
Iiyama have also confirmed if you arrange a warranty claim through them, they will do a on-site swap out. They have a UK support centre and seemed to be quite competent.
Conclusion:
-Brilliant support from OcUK. Arranged a DPD collection at a convenient time for me.
-Good first impression from Iiyama support.
-Let down by QC issues with backlight bleeding on a otherwise excellent monitor.
The Bad:
- Mine also suffered quite bad backlight bleed even with the brightness at 20, you can clearly see huge blotches of light on most backgrounds. You could pretty much forget watching films.
- Sickly burning rubber smell even after 1 week of ownership. This is most pungent when the monitor is turned on.
The Good:
-Amazing colour accuracy and well calibrated out of the box. You need to turn the brightness down to about 20 and contrast to 50/51 if you value your sight as this monitor is BRIGHT.
-Very solid and well put together. No flex in the chassis at all.
-Surprisingly light weight and can be mounted to almost all desk mounts thanks to VESA compliant mounting holes.
-Clear and easy to use OSD
-Can have the DVI & HDMI cables plugged in at the same time. A few monitors I reviewed couldn't have both plugged in even if only 1 source was active.
As expected, OcUK have been brilliant. A quick message in the CS forums with a photo of the backlight bleed and a replacement is being organised this week.
Iiyama have also confirmed if you arrange a warranty claim through them, they will do a on-site swap out. They have a UK support centre and seemed to be quite competent.
Conclusion:
-Brilliant support from OcUK. Arranged a DPD collection at a convenient time for me.
-Good first impression from Iiyama support.
-Let down by QC issues with backlight bleeding on a otherwise excellent monitor.
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Are you happy with it?
Also looking for a glossy screen, but 27" is probably overkill and that was before seeing the price of XB2779QS-S.