I agree with that. And the mods should give out warnings to fanboys who go into threads just to start wars.
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I agree with that. And the mods should give out warnings to fanboys who go into threads just to start wars.
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When I do that I just get accused of being a fanboy myself.
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Yes, it did need its own thread IMO. A lot of Sony fans don't go into the XB1 thread, but they might be more interested in the console with the price drop. A separate thread informs them of something they might otherwise miss.
Thing is this doesn't happen in PS4 threads, generally members with XO stay out of those threads and don't go constantly looking to disrupt the conversations with petty arguments. It's pretty self evident whatever the picture is some would like to paint and it's almost always the same PS4 posters names stirring the XO threads up into a flame fest who then fake mock offense and complain when they get an unsurprisingly terse response.
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Why would they be willing to buy a console if it dropped in price by less than 10% yet not go into it's official thread to read up or discuss it?
I'm not interested at all in the XB1 at any price. If I were interested in one at say £200 I would be checking HUKD on a daily basis not here for price drop threads.
IMO this should have been posted in the XB1 thread.
If your looking for cheap deals we already have a thread for that on here and tbh HUKD is better as it covers everything. So IMO it's pointless this thread existing.
I think most people would agree with the rules I said above, sticky them or make a decision with the admin team to make a better version of them.
So what is the actual solution to be then? Asking nicely doesn't appear to be working and some of the posts by people in the last few pages of this thread are good indicators of that.
As for labelling people PS4 fanboys or Xbox fanboys - why? They're just fanboys (and some of them trolls), it doesn't really matter what company they've decided to align themselves with, whether it's Sony, AMD, nVidia, BMW or whatever the hell else people get in arguments about on these forums. A good number of them don't (or at least didn't) even own next-gen consoles by their own admission, which just makes the whole thing more laughable.
Yes, there's an ignore option, but not being able to see their posts doesn't remove the disruption they cause to a thread and the board in general. Right now there's really no deterrent.
Nope, don't think it need rules about what to post where or when, just use some common sense and self control, if this thread had been in the XO main thread it'd still have had the same people posting "XO sucks whatever the price" "LOL MS are desperate" even if they don't mention PS4.
For example, as someone dictating how and where people should post you seem to have spent a lot of time posting and arguing in a thread for a console you say you have no interest in. Just sayin'.
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The problem I have is that I don't want to be heavy handed and just start suspending people left and right. That doesn't encourage any kind of community spirit. This forum has always been at its best when everyone gets along (generally) and when that happens, it actually requires very little in terms of moderation. I hate being heavy handed, that's not me.
The real issue is that there has to be a willingness from the community as a whole to change things. I might be a moderator but I can only do so much. A forum is only as good as the community that is here, and if the community is resistant to any changes we moderators may want to make, that community will just up and leave, and that's not what I want.
This isn't my forum, and as much as I may want to at times, I can't suspend people for voicing their opinions. That being said, if the community as a majority want more strict moderation in an effort to try and get things back on track, that's what we'll do.
So, I'll put the question out there - do people want more strict moderation (at least for the short term) in an effort to try and kill these arguments that trash too many threads? Does anyone have any other suggestions on what we can do to improve things? Do we need a new thread to discuss it properly? Hell, is there even a problem that needs addressing? I have my own ideas, but for now, I'd like to hear what others have to say.
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Just glaze over the crap, Don't get wound up by it.
Its a console war, they happen every single new generation. and this will happen at the next release too. Let the fanboys be fanboys.
You don't have to entertain them, And they should just get suspended if its blatant baiting. Rather than just bias opinion. Everyone is entitled to an opinion to be fair, bias or not.
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I can't say for sure if Xbox ONE rules yet...I don't have one. fixing that tomorrow(Pay day)
Its a console war, they happen every single new generation. and this will happen at the next release too. Let the fanboys be fanboys.
You don't have to entertain them, And they should just get suspended if its blatant baiting. Rather than just bias opinion. Everyone is entitled to an opinion to be fair, bias or not.
FYI, PS4 Rules
I can't say for sure if Xbox ONE rules yet...I don't have one. fixing that tomorrow(Pay day)
Tosh, the price drop was posted in the main Xbone thread and surprise there's no response mainly because people that aren't interested in the console stay out the thread. In the last 8 pages of the Xbone thread there's been 1 deleted post, and no anti-Xbone posts apart from one guy complaining about his controller breaking.
As a standalone thread, obviously you have other people coming in to read the info and add a comment. This whole thing was kicked off by folk saying well it must be because it's not selling well/inferior console and Xbone/MS fans kicking off about it, further provoking the argument.
People are entitled to an opinion and there seems to be a lot of noses out of joint, point I'm trying to make is the Xbone fans are not the whiter than white you/Davey/others seem to make out. What likely further frustrates people is that it's consistently the PS4 fans that are portrayed to be the troublemakers. There are people on both sides that are making it more of an issue than it needs to be, the sooner people (including mods) realize that the sooner we can get past it.
Edit: Just seen wannabedamned's post. Agree, fanboys will be fanboys and what needs to stop is the baiting, PS4 or non-owners are valid to come into this thread and speculate about the reasons for the price drop. That's their opinion, they're entitled to it, some of the points raised are valid and fact (PS4 outselling Xbone etc, specs). Equally, Xbone fans are entitled to defend their console but it's been taken too far in this thread and some members are blatantly enjoying winding each other up.
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This is absolutely nothing new, this is exactly the same when the PS3 and 360 got released. I was guilty of being a huge PS3 fanboi at the time but after 3-4 years i ended up getting a 360 as well because it was cheap and everyone was playing SSF4 on that instead of the PS3.
To be fair if everyone was playing SSF4 on the PS3 instead then i would have never got a 360. I still consider the 360 the lesser console of the two because my first slim died 6 months out of warranty and my original phat PS3 is still going strong 6 years later. Also in general the games are better and more impressive on the PS3
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Perhaps those that own both platforms should put their side of things a bit more, rather than XB1 owners defending themselves or PS4 owners talking so vehemently about hardware they do not own (and never intend on owning for that matter).
And for the record, I have now pre-ordered the XB1 Titanfall bundle that will soon enough be sitting next to my PS4.
So there, go smoke on that, yeah...
I own both, I am happy with both, both have their own pros and cons.
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Whilst it's true at the moment, it's early days in the console generation to be writing anybody off.
Bottom line is (as it always has been), it's in nobodies interest for one of the consoles to fail. Both Sony and MS have a lot riding on the consoles, MS games division loses money and Sony's TV division is costing the company hundreds of millions. If one of the consoles fail, it would impact the games industry and competition is important.
For example, why bother making an exclusive a triple A title when there's nothing to compete against and you can make an A grade title for less cash.
Oh I fully expect Microsoft to come back with some decent titles, perhaps another price drop, amd my guess is they'll have some share. But probably equiv to last, last gen.. PS2 vs the Original Xbox... Nothing is going change the blunders they made. Making a console twice the size and 30% less powerful, requiring a powerbrick, that can't be put on its side.
Even I, who lives in an American home, with ample space, pulled away from owning one, simply because i had no-where to put it... Let alone the extra price tag, and less performance.
I'm not exactly sure what they were thinking, but the bed is made now, and they need to sleep in it.
Even I, who lives in an American home, with ample space, pulled away from owning one, simply because i had no-where to put it... Let alone the extra price tag, and less performance.
I'm not exactly sure what they were thinking, but the bed is made now, and they need to sleep in it.
It might not be a bad idea for some more stringent moderation in the short term although that puts the burden on Davey and Will Gill etc where the community should be grown up enough to do it itself. The childish constant accusations at Davey despite his restraint are really quite rude considering the effort that goes into modding a forum for the benefit of the community. The stuff that goes on here would have had suspensions handed out left right and centre in most other sections, Davey goes out of his way to avoid that, frankly he has more patience than me and pretty much anyone else here given the posts that go on.
The PS4 official thread amongst others seems to be able to work perfectly well without disruption, it should be possible with a little self restraint in XO related threads.
That's not to say it isn't good and interesting to discuss differences and new information but rehashing the same old things over and over again seems pointless and just designed to cause an argument. No one would be surprise to hear PS4 has a more powerful GPU and DDR5, or is cheaper. Likewise no one is surprised to hear XO has a less powerful GPU because of the need for eSRAM due to using DDR3. No, PS4 doesn't have Kinect and yes, it is £60 cheaper.
Let's just agree these facts are still facts unless anything changes and move along? If someone doesn't want an XO that's fine, just lay off trying to persuade anyone that does that they are wrong for <insert list of details that have been thrashed to death 47 times already here>. Give the folks posting in XO threads the same respect PS4 owners get in their threads and apart from the odd inevitable spat we'll be fine.
I freely confess to leaping to the defence of XO from time to time, not particularly because I'm wed to it, I'm actually primarily a PC gamer. More because I find the anti MS/XO vitriol irritating and a little bizarre and so take the regulars to task. They then get upset and around we go in circles.
I think the mods are pretty clear who the repeat offenders are, perhaps the occasional holiday when they blatantly disrupt a thread (of whatever topic) when they clearly have no interest in the console beyond stirring up an argument is the way to go? It's pretty clear the difference when for example someone might post in this thread (based on the original topic) "Hmmm, I dunno, I still think XO is too expensive, perhaps bringing it down to £349 with an occasional game bundle would be good" and " LOLZ WTF MS are running scared cuz PS4 is outselling it 10:1, the DPD van driver said so, I wouldn't buy a XO unless it was £200 and maybe not even then suckers".
New users get some slack, the usual suspects get a quick, fast holiday with no more warnings. Perhaps then everyone will think a little more about what they are writing before they post rather than after?
I guess Davey would need to discuss with the mods and admins otherwise there will be the inevitable wails of "bias" and to be honest I'd hate to see Davey give up and resign his Donship. He clearly loves gaming of all sorts and cares about the forum community.
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The PS4 official thread amongst others seems to be able to work perfectly well without disruption, it should be possible with a little self restraint in XO related threads.
That's not to say it isn't good and interesting to discuss differences and new information but rehashing the same old things over and over again seems pointless and just designed to cause an argument. No one would be surprise to hear PS4 has a more powerful GPU and DDR5, or is cheaper. Likewise no one is surprised to hear XO has a less powerful GPU because of the need for eSRAM due to using DDR3. No, PS4 doesn't have Kinect and yes, it is £60 cheaper.
Let's just agree these facts are still facts unless anything changes and move along? If someone doesn't want an XO that's fine, just lay off trying to persuade anyone that does that they are wrong for <insert list of details that have been thrashed to death 47 times already here>. Give the folks posting in XO threads the same respect PS4 owners get in their threads and apart from the odd inevitable spat we'll be fine.
I freely confess to leaping to the defence of XO from time to time, not particularly because I'm wed to it, I'm actually primarily a PC gamer. More because I find the anti MS/XO vitriol irritating and a little bizarre and so take the regulars to task. They then get upset and around we go in circles.
I think the mods are pretty clear who the repeat offenders are, perhaps the occasional holiday when they blatantly disrupt a thread (of whatever topic) when they clearly have no interest in the console beyond stirring up an argument is the way to go? It's pretty clear the difference when for example someone might post in this thread (based on the original topic) "Hmmm, I dunno, I still think XO is too expensive, perhaps bringing it down to £349 with an occasional game bundle would be good" and " LOLZ WTF MS are running scared cuz PS4 is outselling it 10:1, the DPD van driver said so, I wouldn't buy a XO unless it was £200 and maybe not even then suckers".
New users get some slack, the usual suspects get a quick, fast holiday with no more warnings. Perhaps then everyone will think a little more about what they are writing before they post rather than after?
I guess Davey would need to discuss with the mods and admins otherwise there will be the inevitable wails of "bias" and to be honest I'd hate to see Davey give up and resign his Donship. He clearly loves gaming of all sorts and cares about the forum community.
Just my 2c
Sorry but that's just a thin excuse for disrupting a thread. There's a difference between discussing a price point and the ludicrous arguments from the same old posters turning up in Xbox threads time and time again. By your theory anyone with an Xbox One should make a beeline for anything posted about PS4 outside of the main thread and rubbish it saying PS4 fans are entitled to defend their chosen console.
Xbox "fans" wouldn't have anything to react to if the threads weren't trashed constantly in the first place. It's not just this thread.
Alternatively just give up moderating the section and leave them to it, some of them are quite funny when you respond to them.
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For the fish to bite you have to dangle your maggot
Indeed. I think most of it though, is MS literally made themselves bait with all their pre-launch BS. The good will MS had evaporated. Unfortunately now the Xbox defenders are paying for MS's mistakes.
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