What are the origins of the Northen Ireland loyalists?

You'd probably be surprised how many people from both sides couldn't care less about this messy side of politics. Its not the majority.

Most people are living and working cross community and videos like ross kemps only sensationalises a minority that is in a small part of the country.

Honestly its a really peaceful country throughout on a day to day basis. Crime rates are a lot lower than most UK cities by all measures and we don't suffer from a lot of the gang cultures that exists in most UK cities. Mostly because the old hand paramilitaries used to "look after" their communities and thats why punishment beatings and kneecappings happened in a lot of instances. Places where the police couldnt adequately govern some folk. I dont agree with it but ive seen it happen and sadly work too.

I have lived and worked abroad a lot, travelled a lot and there is nowhere as magic as NI. Its a great place and the people here are genuinely great in most cases. We've been through a lot so most don't want to see any nonsensical violence.
 
rpg said:
What a stupid and uneducated thing to say. Just like a lot of other countries worldwide, they want/wanted nothing to do with 'Britain' (whatever that actually means anymore, anyway).

The UK has nothing to be smug about these days also - it's a country that is losing it's culture and heritage day-by-day, and a large population in Scotland want nothing to do with it either. And it's looking increasingly like the UK will seriously have to consider leaving the EU, just to claw back some control over the cesspit that has already accumulated.

Ireland might be still recovering from some poor economic decisions, but it's making ground - and I bet 95% of the Republic's population are more than content that they have nothing to do with the UK anymore, governmentally speaking.
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I hear what you are saying but that is sounding anti-british. There is some truth to this as the indigenous population has been long lost after generations of migration and breeding with other races.

I only frown upon the comments like Scotland not wanting to do with it, etc as the feeling will obviously mutual to the purists that cannot think outside the one dimensional views.

Regardless of wether you want to be british or not, the fact is the isles are still not going anywhere and that is what they are globally known as. Until it is called something else to move into a different era or people realise that being welsh, scottish, irish etc is a plastic badge these days then the undebatable will continue to be debated.
 
Souleh said:
You'd probably be surprised how many people from both sides couldn't care less about this messy side of politics. Its not the majority.

Most people are living and working cross community and videos like ross kemps only sensationalises a minority that is in a small part of the country.
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Well said.

The fighting and rioting shown on TV really are the minority. A good portion of those taking part are not doing it for any deeply felt political/religious feelings. They are doing it because they are terrible people with nothing better to do in their lives and so see it "as a bit of crack". Frankly it's disgraceful.

The majority of this country has moved on. Some are still stuck in the past. Unfortunately these people are passing on their 'beliefs' to their children making it carry on.
 
Northern Ireland loyalists, or the superbrits as you could call them. When the City Hall "fleg" got taken down from being there 365 days a year to designated days they all had to go and check their passports as they didn't know what they were anymore. Really only applies to the "fleggers" and the ones that do the marching on the "Queens highway" whatever that is. A lot of people really don't care.
 
rpg said:
What a stupid and uneducated thing to say. Just like a lot of other countries worldwide, they want/wanted nothing to do with 'Britain' (whatever that actually means anymore, anyway).

The UK has nothing to be smug about these days also - it's a country that is losing it's culture and heritage day-by-day, and a large population in Scotland want nothing to do with it either. And it's looking increasingly like the UK will seriously have to consider leaving the EU, just to claw back some control over the cesspit that has already accumulated.

Ireland might be still recovering from some poor economic decisions, but it's making ground - and I bet 95% of the Republic's population are more than content that they have nothing to do with the UK anymore, governmentally speaking.
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I think that the starving of 4 million people by famine in the 18th cent. might cause you to hate another country.

Oh and those with the potato jokes got any jokes about the jews during wwII I like I laugh. :rolleyes:
 
jas72 said:
I think that the starving of 4 million people by famine in the 18th cent. might cause you to hate another country.

Oh and those with the potato jokes got any jokes about the jews during wwII I like I laugh. :rolleyes:
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If it was just the potatoes that were affected, at the end of the day you will pay the price if you’re a fussy eater.
 
All i care about now in northern ireland is that theres relative peace, yes the dissidents do a few attacks now and again, the uvf and the uda are busy selling drugs and cheap ciggarettes with the various republican groups they work with. The vast majority of people here in northern ireland want to just get on with their lifes. Get up in the morning, go and do an honest days work, come back to their familys and live a nice normal life.

Unfortunately, all you see on the news is protests, come dole day all the idiots out protesting dissapear,(both sides) out on the beer that the decent people who work and try to make northern ireland better have to pay for.
 
Does it really matter what the name of the country is? does it matter what flag you have? does it matter what city the politicians live? does it matter what religion other people are?

Just choose the best government. Which in my opinion is the UK Gov.

But as we are all in the EU it doesn't matter that much anyway.
 
starfighter said:
Does it really matter what the name of the country is? does it matter what flag you have? does it matter what city the politicians live? does it matter what religion other people are?

Just choose the best government. Which in my opinion is the UK Gov.

But as we are all in the EU it doesn't matter that much anyway.
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Doesnt matter to me, country has no bearing on me. Religion is a man made concept so open to a lot of fallacies. Id hazard a good guess that 99.9% of the paramilitaries on both sides here never set foot in their supposed affiliate churches in their life. Northern ireland, too much religion, not enough christianity from two groups who say they are christians. The age old excuse to kill your fellow man.
 
my fav gallows humour ww2 jew joke..

Why did AH kill himself in his bunker ?
Cos he got his gas bill
 
What are the origins of the Northern Ireland Loyalists
As a Ulster scot this question got me think how i would reply to it, i was going to give you a long history on the people of Ireland and were they came from and who did what who whom, but as i thought about it i realized that that was pointless because that not were they come from.

They come from 60 years of being lied to, of living in fear of both their own side and the opposite side in a unjust war, of a government not giving a dam about them. Of 60 years of political (so called) leaders demonizing the other side because it was easier to blame some else for problems than stand up as say it “my fault”. They come from living 30 years on the front lines of a bloody war and they overnight being told the war over now go away we don’t need/want you.

They come from a world where their leaders kept them cut off from the rest of the world, and now they meant to take part in the world, and they scared so they cline to what they know even tho it may be a lie. It like the matrix they want to take the blue pill and remained living in the world they knew, even tho that world is gone.
 
Btone said:
What are the origins of the Northern Ireland Loyalists
As a Ulster scot this question got me think how i would reply to it, i was going to give you a long history on the people of Ireland and were they came from and who did what who whom, but as i thought about it i realized that that was pointless because that not were they come from.

They come from 60 years of being lied to, of living in fear of both their own side and the opposite side in a unjust war, of a government not giving a dam about them. Of 60 years of political (so called) leaders demonizing the other side because it was easier to blame some else for problems than stand up as say it “my fault”. They come from living 30 years on the front lines of a bloody war and they overnight being told the war over now go away we don’t need/want you.

They come from a world where their leaders kept them cut off from the rest of the world, and now they meant to take part in the world, and they scared so they cline to what they know even tho it may be a lie. It like the matrix they want to take the blue pill and remained living in the world they knew, even tho that world is gone.
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Or they're (on both sides) just a bunch of tracksuit wearing scumbags from rundown council estates. Look at any footage of the riots, nothing but scum throwing rocks at each other and the police. So much disruption to decent people over the years who just want to get to work and have a life.
 
On a slightly related note why are ulster unionists so supportive of Israel?

In the recent vote on recognition of Palestine as a state surprigly half the votes for no were from mps from northern ireland who were ulster unionist mps.
 
Golf1.6 said:
On a slightly related note why are ulster unionists so supportive of Israel?

In the recent vote on recognition of Palestine as a state surprigly half the votes for no were from mps from northern ireland who were ulster unionist mps.
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Because crack pot Unionists see the state of Israel and Northern Ireland as similar situations. A state surrounded by enemies just trying to survive. A state for decent God fearing Prods. And then even further along the lines of crack pottery than that, there's the religious crack pot Unionists who claim that the Protestants of Ulster are a lost tribe of Israel (I'm not joking).
 
Ulster loyalists see themselves in a similair position to israel, a small state surrounded by hostiles and hostiles living among them, (the native irish catholic/nationalists). They view the palestinians as terrorists similair to the ira/inla and their ilk. On the republican side, the view is that israel are occupiers of palestine which they see as being similair to british occupation in ireland, and that the loyalists are the same as the jewish settlers, sort of coming over here and taking our land theory. Hence why you see rallies in nationalist areas in support of the palestinians.
 
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