UK spy agency intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users

So you are fine with a government sanctioned organisation putting a camera in your bedroom, as long as the images sent to their servers are only looked at by Software with only a small chance* of them being looked at by humans?

They've not put a camera in your bedroom... they've got the capability to intercept communications - intercepting communications is their whole reason for existing. If, in the 21st century, they could only intercept telephone calls and radio transmissions then they wouldn't be fit for purpose.

They are still heavily regulated, simply possessing a collation method that we the public didn't previously know about (frankly why would collation methods be made public) doesn't indicate that the use of that collation method is underhand or something to worry about etc... as some other poster seemed to be indicating re: blackmailing CEOs or politicians etc..

*Considering they had major problems with lots of pornographic material being seen by their staff the idea that only terrorists are being screened seems a little odd... Do terrorists communicate by penis and breast movements now?

The idea that all people of interest to them never look at porn/webcam girls etc.. would be more odd.
 
The law applies to them as much as everyone else. They are governed by different laws in many cases yet they are still pushing (and breaking) those boundaries. Unfortunately when the investigations are shut down/neutered by the Secretary of State we can't actually find out for definite if they are breaking the law.

The law applies, but they apply differently. That happens with many, many government agencies. Should the police be given fines for speeding?

So you are fine with a government sanctioned organisation putting a camera in your bedroom, as long as the images sent to their servers are only looked at by Software with only a small chance* of them being looked at by humans?

*Considering they had major problems with lots of pornographic material being seen by their staff the idea that only terrorists are being screened seems a little odd... Do terrorists communicate by penis and breast movements now?

GCHQ hasn't put a camera in my bedroom, not have they ever even hinted at wanting to. Jumping from what the GCHQ actually does, to some Orwellian dystopia is one hell of a leap.
 
The law applies, but they apply differently. That happens with many, many government agencies. Should the police be given fines for speeding?



GCHQ hasn't put a camera in my bedroom, not have they ever even hinted at wanting to. Jumping from what the GCHQ actually does, to some Orwellian dystopia is one hell of a leap.

whats the difference from putting one in and being able to access it using a bot and capturing images every 5 mins on rota basis, scraping the image set and retaining for 5 years then dumping, then capturing images every 5 mins on rota basis, scraping the image set and retaining for 5 years then dumping, then capturing images every 5 mins on rota basis, scraping the image set and retaining for 5 years then dumping, then capturing images every 5 mins on rota basis, scraping the image set and retaining for 5 years then dumping, then capturing images every 5 mins on rota basis, scraping the image set and retaining for 5 years then dumping, then capturing images every 5 mins on rota basis, scraping the image set and retaining for 5 years then dumping ?

it happened, its not theoretical.
 
whats the difference from putting one in and being able to access it using a bot and capturing images every 5 mins on rota basis, scraping the image set and retaining for 5 years then dumping, then capturing images every 5 mins on rota basis, scraping the image set and retaining for 5 years then dumping, then capturing images every 5 mins on rota basis, scraping the image set and retaining for 5 years then dumping, then capturing images every 5 mins on rota basis, scraping the image set and retaining for 5 years then dumping, then capturing images every 5 mins on rota basis, scraping the image set and retaining for 5 years then dumping, then capturing images every 5 mins on rota basis, scraping the image set and retaining for 5 years then dumping ?

it happened, its not theoretical.

Are you honestly telling me GCHQ is currently capturing images from my webcam, even while I am not using it? How?

If you can't see the huge difference between intercepting my Skype chats to grandma and forcing me to have a camera in my room then I give up on you.

If you ever have your smartphone in your bedroom, then they have.

No, they haven't. I have. And you know who or what is watching its camera right now? No-one and nothing.
 
No, they haven't. I have. And you know who or what is watching its camera right now? No-one and nothing.

You honestly believe that? :D

Well maybe they haven't tuned in yet and they probably haven't, but they can with the push of a button.

I'm not sure about other devices but the NSA/GCHQ have previously used the Google Backup process found in the Android OS to hook their data collection through. I've heard many reports of people having phantom data being used. In fact I myself have been subjected to it; noticed on my brand new android install that the backup process was constantly sending data. In 6 days the backup process "backed up" over 1.2GB of data when I only had about 50MB of used memory on the whole phone itself. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure which process they're hooking through these days but I'm fairly sure they've stopped using the Backup Process now. I wouldn't know anyway, I'm extremely wary of unnessacary processes running in Android now. I only custom build my own roms these days.
 
No, they haven't. I have. And you know who or what is watching its camera right now? No-one and nothing.

You are living in a world of blinkered denial, and it's exactly the kind of dangerous mindset that creates a citizenship of lackadaisical, numb-minded people who won't mind the fact that their privacy doesn't exist one jot when this is proven.

Now, I'll say it again. What do we know? We know that the NSA and the Five Eyes, as they are called, created, in particular, two software programs called PRISM and Xkeyscore. The sole purpose of these programs was mass surveillance, and drift-netting of any information that can be put through a telephone wire or sent through the air. The information stored - and continually so - includes who you are, what your personal history is, who your friends are, what they look like, what you are thinking, what you are doing, where you work, where you are, where you've been, what your personal history is, the kind of girls you'd like to **** and what you had for dinner last Wednesday. All this information is collected and retained under the gloss of anti-terrorism when we all know full well that none of this prevents terrorism whatsoever, but what it does do is generate a society which is wholly controlled by its government and who is under the illusion of free-will. In fact, these revelations, when they came out, were so massive and so unbelievable to some, that one forum member here called it a "non-story", meaning either they were stupid or in complete denial. Or both.

What else do we know? We know that the GCHQ created a program called Optic Nerve through which 1.8 million user account photos from random selectees was stored. These weren't targets - or associates of targets - or associates of associates - they were random people. We also know that technology is way ahead of where we think it is. The governments are several more squares along the board than what is in the papers this week. Especially when it comes to phones. How do I know this? For the simple reason that a colleague of mine at work [not a friend of a friend, a gentleman within my team] was given a government phone by mistake on upgrade which contained major features that were, at the time, unseen and unannounced anywhere.

We also know that as time goes on and smartphones develop, the major companies keep adding more and more features in the interests of "user security". It has since been revealed that it is possible for phones to be tracked by GPS even when they're off as long as their battery remains in. This means that users can be tracked too. But wait, how do you know if it's the person who's carrying the phone that is the main user? Simple, fingerprint recognition. It's already here. And what about that pesky battery which can halt the tracking if removed? Just make it unremoveable. Just like Apple have done now.

So what you're saying, taking all this information into account, is that a multinational network of all-powerful governments who created software for recording and tagging citizens and their intimate lives, from their phone conversations to absolutely anything they disclosed on social networks from their sex habits to their showering habits, who authorised the capturing of millions of random user images on Yahoo - apparently without Yahoo's consent - who now, as has also been revealed, were planning on exploiting the cameras in Xboxes, who are possibly further in smartphone development than we know, and have spent time creating attractive, addictive, portable devices which people now consider vital and "Life Companions" to their every sleeping and waking moments aren't going to use and control those devices - with front and rear facing cameras - to record, video or photograph their users as they have already been doing as disclosed?

This isn't a massive leap of faith, it's a logical step. It's not ridiculous to believe it, it's ridiculous not to believe it.
 
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It's very simple really. If they were constantly watching my camera, the battery would last a few hours, at best. As it stands I get 1 day and 12 hours, give or take.

Recording me Skyping with grandma? Easily do-able.
Checking out the photos of my junk I uploaded to Google Drive? Google practically built it around that very idea.

Putting a secret super-battery that can constantly power my camera and transmit gigabytes of data without me noticing?

I can'r believe they are recording nearly as much as you like to think they are either. Why would they record what they had for dinner last Wednesday? Even I don't remember that. What possible use could that be? I just had a chicken tikka kebab. Did me posting that just put me on some list? Did some spy somewhere instruct GCHQ to log into my phone and take a photo of my ceiling? Is artex really that interesting? I mean, maybe they know I snore? That could be embarrassing.

The sheer number of people that "they" would need to keep quiet over this would be staggering. Frankly, I would find the Stargate program to be more realistic. No Android developer has come out, no iOS developer, no telecoms worker. Surely even Three, with all you can eat data would be a bit miffed with that kind of bandwidth use?
 
It's very simple really. If they were constantly watching my camera, the battery would last a few hours, at best. As it stands I get 1 day and 12 hours, give or take.

That's good for you. I don't have so much luck. My battery occasionally - it doesn't happen often, maybe once every week or two - will drain totally over a few small hours. The other night it drained from 100% to 0% in about four hours. With all background tasks disabled. With battery saver mode enabled.

It's doesn't have to be video. It can be images. Or audio. And that takes comparatively fewer resources. And it doesn't have to be all the time either.

I'm not going to keep trying to convince you. All the information is here, you just have to put it together. In the meantime, just keep believing that the only person who controls the camera and the mic on your phone is you.
 
That's good for you. I don't have so much luck. My battery occasionally - it doesn't happen often, maybe once every week or two - will drain totally over a few small hours. The other night it drained from 100% to 0% in about four hours. With all background tasks disabled. With battery saver mode enabled.

Ah GCHQ must be watching you... I mean they've got a few thousand staff - ignoring the ones involved in administrative roles, the ones in general IT roles, the mathematicians, the software engineers, the management, the ones posted overseas on operations etc..etc.. I'm sure when you discount all those people they've got plenty of analyst left to spend their time monitoring ordinary members of the public. I mean there are only 60 million of us I'm sure of those few hundred analyst one of them is watching you through your phone camera... I mean its not like they've got better things to do, its not like their resources are in demand a lot and being competed for by various customers across the govt and military... nah not at all, they're definitely spending their time watching random paranoid internet users...
 
If they're recording front facing cameras then they must be rather fond of ceilings and the inside of pockets. If they want a pic of your face surely it's easier to look at CCTV or Facebook?

As more and more things get connected to the Internet they'll even be able to arrest you for operating your washing machine when you're not in.
 
If they want a pic of your face surely it's easier to look at CCTV or Facebook?
Of course it is, but that's not what they want obviously.

Brain-numbing comments like this just go to show how the general population completely miss the point and utterly fail at making sense of the NSA/GCHQ situation, and at the same time manage to brush it off as some kind of joke. :(

You think they've spent exponents of billions of dollars on infiltrating the top internet organisations, building a brand new dedicated military guarded data warehouse, securing strategically targeted IXPs to pump raw internet traffic straight to their data processing plants, invested in encryption cracking mainframes based on quantum computing just so they can have a pic of your face which can be freely obtained by any internet user on the planet?

Oh dear.
 
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Ah GCHQ must be watching you... I mean they've got a few thousand staff - ignoring the ones involved in administrative roles, the ones in general IT roles, the mathematicians, the software engineers, the management, the ones posted overseas on operations etc..etc.. I'm sure when you discount all those people they've got plenty of analyst left to spend their time monitoring ordinary members of the public. I mean there are only 60 million of us I'm sure of those few hundred analyst one of them is watching you through your phone camera... I mean its not like they've got better things to do, its not like their resources are in demand a lot and being competed for by various customers across the govt and military... nah not at all, they're definitely spending their time watching random paranoid internet users...

They spend billions on setting up the infrastructure for mass surveillance yet you seem to think they've set this all up for nothing?

Why would you think that? And how would you come to that conclusion? I'm actually very much interested in the psychology here. Even after the fact that they "watch random people" is confirmed you still use it in a sarcastic tone as if they don't watch random people. Why?
 
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Actually yes.

They spend billions on setting up the infrastructure for mass surveillance yet you seem to think they've set this all up for nothing?

Why would you think that? And how would you come to that conclusion? I'm actually very much interested in the psychology of the situation.

Does spending billions on all the gear to see what bog roll I buy really sound all that useful?
 
Does spending billions on all the gear to see what bog roll I buy really sound all that useful?

What's with all the jokers in here? lol

No your bog roll is obviously unimportant for goodness sake. But that doesn't detract from the fact that the NSA can easily find out what bog roll you buy.

More psychologically interesting material. People are quick to make jokes about the level of obtainable detail, yet are completely unworried about their identity being linked to criminality.
 
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And what about that pesky battery which can halt the tracking if removed? Just make it unremoveable. Just like Apple have done now.
I'm with you on some things, however some points really don't have to be conspiracies, they could just be inevitable consequences of design constraints and battery development, like this one.
Labelling everything as a conspiracy doesn't create an overwhelming mass of evidence, it just makes it look contrived.
 
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What's with all the jokers in here? lol

No your bog roll is obviously unimportant for goodness sake. But that doesn't detract from the fact that the NSA can easily find out what bog roll you buy.

So can Tesco, what's your point?
 
So can Tesco, what's your point?

The point is it's not what the NSA/GCHQ is for. :rolleyes:

Someone says it's for getting profile pics from facebook

Now you say they're getting peoples asswiping regimens.

Just shows your comprehension levels and proves why you cant comprehend the NSA's motives.
 
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The point is it's not what the NSA/GCHQ is for. :rolleyes:

Someone says it's for getting profile pics from facebook

Now you say they're getting peoples asswiping regimens.

Just shows your comprehension levels and proves why you cant comprehend the NSA's motives.

Read up on the thread. People have been telling us how the GCHQ can see who we talk to, who are friends are, what I had for lunch last Wednesday.

At no point has anyone mentioned in what way any of that is actually useful. For anything.
 
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