London set to ban older cars.
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That seems unlikely, since he left office in 2007 and the 5.0L Jaguar engine wasn't in production until 2009.
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Stop giving diesels such low tax might help. They arn't a good idea for most people. There are far to many on the roads.
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Is it wrong to want this to happen in anticipation of lower used car prices for those of us outside of London?
Any you guys wonder why such schemes are needed. Time will only sort it because car manufactures are forced to comply to stricter and stricter regulations, just doing that does not meet our obligations.
The European Commission is to start legal proceedings against the UK for failing to address high levels of urban air pollution.
In particular, levels of nitrogen dioxide (NO2), an emission strongly linked to major respiratory illnesses and premature deaths, are considered "excessive" in many urban areas across the UK. In addition to aggravating existing health conditions such as Asthma, research shows air pollution causes around 29,000 premature deaths in the UK every year.
According to the EU Directive of 2008, which sets limits of air-borne pollutants, including particulate matter and nitrogen oxides, the UK was supposed to meet EU limits by 2010. However, at that time, the levels of nitrogen dioxide were exceeded in 40 of 43 of the UK’s Air Quality Management Areas (AQMAs).
While the Commission gave Member States an additional five years to comply if a NO2 emission strategy was put in place, the UK Government has now admitted that the pollution thresholds will continue to be breached in at least 16 AQMAs in 2015. In London, where the levels of pollution are the highest, the Government admits that standard will not be met until 2025.
As a result, the Commission has decided to launch a legal case against the UK; while other EU countries, including France, Sweden, Denmark and Greece have also failed to comply adequately, the UK will be the first Member State to be targeted. "Our priority is to protect public health and the environment," said European Commission spokesman Joe Hennon. "We think that's what the people of the UK would want as well."
According to Emission Analytics, a company that produces vehicle monitoring equipment, although auto manufacturers have introduced a number of engine modifications to meet NOx emission standards, real-world emissions fail to match the levels as measure in the official tests. A study co-conducted with Imperial College London, real-world Euro 5 light-duty diesels exceed the current Euro 5 standard threefold in most instances.
As the chart below shows, in a test of 10 diesel cars, all the cars in the sample failed to meet Euro standard 4 or 5 and, only three reached Euro standard 3. This is a similar situation to the increasing discrepancy between test and real-world figures for fuel economy and CO2 as reported in previous NGC posts. However, due to high levels of NOx being produced in congested traffic, the resulting gap between regulated and real-world air pollution is even more pronounced.
The Commission may have decided to act following a ruling by the UK Supreme Court brought by environmental campaigners ClientEarth. "The UK has some of the worst NO2 levels in Europe, they're a national disgrace," said Alan Andrews, the NGO’s lawyer. "London has a particular problem, in some streets it is three or four times above the legal limits."
A spokeswoman for London Mayor Boris Johnson said: "Since the mayor was elected, the number of people living in areas exceeding nitrogen dioxide limits has halved but he fully recognises the need to take further action. This includes the introduction of the world's first ultra-low emission zone in central London from 2020, tougher requirements for taxis from 2018 and a £20m fund to tackle local problem areas."
The UK Government has two months to respond to the European Commission. BBC, Emissions Analytics - See more at: http://www.nextgreencar.com/news/6541/EU-takes-legal-action-over-UK-pollution#sthash.qHP7cG8X.dpuf
Read more at http://www.nextgreencar.com/news/6541/EU-takes-legal-action-over-UK-pollution#ZKyrmgEGBIE6kxro.99
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Yay, I have another reason to never bother visiting London. This sort of thing is simply a massively regressive tax, hitting those who can least afford it the most. same thing happened with the LEZ, made it unaffordable for small hauliers to compete as cost of modifying perfectly good trucks to comply were prohibitive. If only city dwellers realised its this sort of stuff that doubles or triples the cost of everything in central London.
How long before many other eviroloon town councillors cotton on to this idea and role it out nationwide. As has been said before, why not just ban poor people from driving all together, as thats the aim of this kind of legislation. Here's a mad idea, maybe if I wasn't paying £1.37 for a litre of diesel, maybe I could afford a greener car.
How long before many other eviroloon town councillors cotton on to this idea and role it out nationwide. As has been said before, why not just ban poor people from driving all together, as thats the aim of this kind of legislation. Here's a mad idea, maybe if I wasn't paying £1.37 for a litre of diesel, maybe I could afford a greener car.
Brilliant idea. Would give poor people who want nice things an incentive. Also it would stop them simply stealing cars as there wouldn't be anywhere to drive them
Or more likely because of a court case as stated in the article. Its standard practice in legal matters to do a trial court case and only if it goes well do you attack the others. Same happens in patent court cases, pointless filling multiple court cases until you have a set precedence.
Largest city so affects more people. Its also the most polluted city. You have to start somewhere.
What makes no sense?
No I mean why they are just focusing on Central London and not the whole of London.
Doesn't make sense - in the case that banning old cars and pre 2014 cars will somehow solve the problem.
Maybe because London centre already has an enforcement area. So is easy to implement.
Of course it won't solve the problem, no one thing will. Its lots of schemes introduced over many years that will. In this case pretty much every year new cars have to meet stricter targets and they have to meet these targets at Mot tome as well, so banning ore 2014 will help the situation.
So on both accounts it makes perfect sense.
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Fortunately my gas guzzling V6-soon-to-be-decatted is 2006 registered 
In other interesting news, they've done a report and the congestion has increased in central London in and around the congestion charging zone - just proving that the CC zone is a pile of rubbish.
In other interesting news, they've done a report and the congestion has increased in central London in and around the congestion charging zone - just proving that the CC zone is a pile of rubbish.
As it's based on NOx emissions rather than CO2 what's your point? Anything to get diesels and their actually provably harmful emissions (NOx and particulates) off the road is a good thing.
Why not ban ALL diesels then, rather than just target people who can't afford a new car every year.