Paleo Lifestyle...

For someone who doesn't like Paleo, your diet is almost identical.

What is it you dont like about the term? Or is it you think Palo is extremely limited on carbs? Where in fact its usually stated around 150g a day(akthough like anything tuned to what works for you). Just from sources like wild rive, quinoa, sweet potato.

Because paleo doesn't allow for thinks like rice quinoa and so on - and the whole primal diet falls short on a lot of important nutrients.

I eat healthily, I just keep away from the refined rubbish - it's not paelo, it's just making informed choices, not only from the qualifications I have in nutrition but also from the point of view of enjoyment of food, but also achieving physical improvements which are important to me as someone who likes to go the gym and play sports.
 
Awesome thanks. I am just having sweet potato with broccoli and salmon now. I will get some wild rice but not keen on cous cous.

Its amazing when you eat good quality food how much better you feel. The world would be a much better place if we all ate a clean diet I'm sure.

Yup. It's nothing to do with Paleo though - that's just a limiting concept like Atkins - it's blurred, garbled and has more holes in its theory than a sieve.

If you don't cause wild metabolic/hormonal fluctuations/spikes through a decent diet, you'll be better off in the long run as your body will cope/react better for when you do decide to have a chocolate bar, or enjoy a doughnut or a treat. Just because it's not "good" for you doesn't mean you should cut it out, just enjoy it as a treat.

It's like the reaction people have when they don't drink much caffeine, it suddenly has a more profound effect.
 
Because paleo doesn't allow for thinks like rice quinoa and so on - and the whole primal diet falls short on a lot of important nutrients.

I eat healthily, I just keep away from the refined rubbish - it's not paelo, it's just making informed choices, not only from the qualifications I have in nutrition but also from the point of view of enjoyment of food, but also achieving physical improvements which are important to me as someone who likes to go the gym and play sports.

Most of the Paleo allow quinoa as well as wild rice.
Even though you don't like to be associated with it, your diet is a pretty stand Paleo diet.
 
First fag of the day syndrome

Indeed - well, I can only guess not being a smoker... ;)

However, once your body is in a "healthier" state, and your hormonal profile is more balanced, its metabolic reaction to food is more profound and at the same time more efficient.
 
Complex carbs are staple foods mate - cheap and nutritious.

I think that everyone agrees that complex carbs are nutritious - things like sweet potato, for instance. You, however, seem to be implying that things like pasta are. What does pasta offer?

Edit: Freefaller and others - what do you do if you're out for the day and don't have anything with you for lunch? I tend to eat well at home or when I'm well prepared, but if I come up short I usually end up with a sandwich.
 
Edit: Freefaller and others - what do you do if you're out for the day and don't have anything with you for lunch? I tend to eat well at home or when I'm well prepared, but if I come up short I usually end up with a sandwich.

Babies, they contain all the major food groups and you look badass with limbs hanging out of your mouth.

On a slightly more serious note I've been known to buy a couple of double cheeseburgers from McD's and ditch the buns
 
There is no standard Paleo diet. It's completely arbitrary and based on who your Paleo cult leader is.

Like any diet (I mean that in diary term rather than weight loss) for tje simple reason is there's no good science to back any plan up.
Go for a low fat low protein conventional diet and its an acult taught by different groups.

Its important to see how you cope on different diets and yes looking at what we use to eat and how food used to be prepared is a good starting block, until science catches up.

Then theirs the people who don't understand the basic concepts of things like paleo, which is in no way anti carb. Its anti refined carb. But rather than the "recommended 300g a day" it's generally in the realms of 150g a day.

Something Palo doesn't really look into (some groups do) is how carbs used to be refined and these days are refined in a totally different way.
For example flours eased to be mainly sprouted due to poor preserving. Then slow yeast meant fermentation was done over a very long periods. Its things like this that reduce what's commonly referee to anti nutrients and changes digestibility. Where now we have fast acting yeast, much better handling so virtually non are sprouted and then chick away husks and such like. Now Paleo usually says why bother with these because we aren't hunter gathers so might as well just avoid them. If you look at tribes that exist they go to a lot of effort to process these heavy carb sources that just can't be eaten unrefined.


The other thing people get hung up about is x-diatry plan says this is good/safe. But often leads people on to eat worse things, weather this is mental or physical really doesn't matter. Just avoid eating it if you no your body doesn't respond well to it, or it leads you to have cravings etc. Mental process are extremely hard to change and we have so much food available we don't need to eat such things.

Then we can go onto veg/fruit. Regardless how its grown (fertiliser or organispc) they are significantly reduced in nutrients compared to many decades ago.
And to make that even worse we've bread bitter and strong tastes out of them, which are usually the good compounds like antioxidants, and bred in sweetness in the form of sugars.

As we don't have time we've gone from moving slowly all day with a few bursts if energy, to being static most of the day and try compensating that with excess bursts of energy like running, which as we know wrecks joints with excess. And does come close to the amount if work we used to do by being on our feet nearly all day plodding around.

Then you can't take diet on its own, it needs to be looked at in connection with life style. From exercise to sleeping patterns. We now ignore the bodies signals and mess them up with artificial light.

So yes there's many competing views and its far more complicated than no carbs. But then again conventional diets are no different.
Let alone before we get to genetics and gene expression. Which personalises diets even more, lactose is a very good example of this, despite it being thousands of years old, many still lack the enzyme needed.

But go back to unrefined food and you'll be healthier than most and feel great, regardless of which direction you go. And chuck margarine out should be most peoples first step.
 
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I think that everyone agrees that complex carbs are nutritious - things like sweet potato, for instance. You, however, seem to be implying that things like pasta are. What does pasta offer?

Edit: Freefaller and others - what do you do if you're out for the day and don't have anything with you for lunch? I tend to eat well at home or when I'm well prepared, but if I come up short I usually end up with a sandwich.

Carbs are broken down into sugars, some quicker than others. Some carb sources have more micronutrients/vitamins/minerals than others. If you're meeting your nutrient needs from a variety of sources it's largely irrelevant if some of the carbs you eat/enjoy offer little more than the simple sugars they're made from etc (look at a lot of athletes diets). It might be an issue if pasta was your sole carb source, and you're diabetic and obese, but we're talking about healthy individuals who partake in physical activity and eat a variety of wholesome/nutritious food. If you're eating a mixed macro meal the whole simple/complex carb thing becomes somewhat irrelevant anyway.
 
Using athletes is not a good example. Athletes generally struggle to eat what their body requires. The same can not be said for normal people. Response to food will be massively different. Some one eating 1800 a day compared to an athlete at say 4000 calories will have much different hormonal and mental responses, which affects cravings and thus what you are likely to consume.
 
Then theirs the people who don't understand the basic concepts of things like paleo, which is in no way anti carb. Its anti refined carb. But rather than the "recommended 300g a day" it's generally in the realms of 150g a day.

No, some Paleo 'gurus' are completely anti-carb, like Jeff Volek. There are some that have softened their stance (I think Robb Wolf was one), and some that cast a blanket ban on certain 'bad' carbs (teh wheat! teh gluten!!! teh lactose!!) and permit others. This massively wide blanket means asking two different people what Paleo is will invariably give you different answers depending on if they spend all their time on Mark's Daily Apple or PaleoHacks or whatever site they've aligned themselves too.
 
Using athletes is not a good example. Athletes generally struggle to eat what their body requires. The same can not be said for normal people. Response to food will be massively different. Some one eating 1800 a day compared to an athlete at say 4000 calories will have much different hormonal and mental responses, which affects cravings and thus what you are likely to consume.

According to most of these Paleo gurus, it should be irrelevant if they're athletes or not as the composition of their diet MUST lead to ill health / inflammation / sickness / fat storage etc. 'Sugar is toxic!!!11' etc.
 
According to most of these Paleo gurus, it should be irrelevant if they're athletes or not as the composition of their diet MUST lead to ill health / inflammation / sickness / fat storage etc. 'Sugar is toxic!!!11' etc.

Not at all and just shows how clueless you are.
Excess calories lead to fat, which if you are an athlete is very hard to achieve regardless of the breakdown. People who burn vast quantities of calories have far less worries than normal folks, as it doesn't matter if they get cravings or feel hungry and eat a few hundred extra calories. Some one sitting behind a desk all day in the other hand, getting said cravings all the time. It does matter if they give in and eat said extra calories. Can you expect them to ignore cravings? No of course not. Can you change their diet to reduce such cravings? Absolutely. People need to get off the will power nonsense and get on the factualy what helps. Which are things like insulin resistance, eating satiety foods. So yes break down absolutely does matter when you arent burning vast amounts of calories.
Then there's what is thought to be optimal. Eating non optimally won't suddenly make you die. It can causes issues and or an early death.

No, some Paleo 'gurus' are completely anti-carb, like Jeff Volek. There are some that have softened their stance (I think Robb Wolf was one), and some that cast a blanket ban on certain 'bad' carbs (teh wheat! teh gluten!!! teh lactose!!) and permit others. This massively wide blanket means asking two different people what Paleo is will invariably give you different answers depending on if they spend all their time on Mark's Daily Apple or PaleoHacks or whatever site they've aligned themselves too.

Lol, pick the most extreme, again same can be said for any diet. However every diet generally has some core values, and Palo does have core values. You can not avoid carbs, or have zero carbs unless you avoid all veg.
So how would you class a mainstream high carb low fat diet? As theres a million and one ways to achieve that as well? Or because youncan ask 10people following said diet and get 10 different replies its all nonsense?

So yet more nonsense from you.
Avoiding all lactose is a good stance if you are lactose intolerant. And what a lot of Paleo and other counties say, is if you aren't sure avoid it. Or cut everything out until symptoms diapered, then slowly add things back in nor at a time, until you find the culprit

And yet more lols, why do you assume people align them selfs with one person?
Even those people who do post or follow such sites often disagree on certain items.

Oh and you would be surprised how lax MDA official stance is. In one way its more extreme than Palo. In other ways its far more relaxed, depending how its prepared. As he tries to base it in studies, not that I agree with all of his conclusions. But at least he at least names and usually links to the papers so you can read it yourself.
 
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Cannot really understand the problem people have. Anything that helps you move from a diet of:

Sandwiches
Crisps
Biscuits
Processed foods
Cereals
Chips
Sugary drinks
etc.

to

Lean meats
Vegetables
Fruit
Salads
Nuts
Seeds
Good quality oils
etc.

Has got to be a good thing imo!
 
Cannot really understand the problem people have. Anything that helps you move from a diet of:

Sandwiches
Crisps
Biscuits
Processed foods
Cereals
Chips
Sugary drinks
etc.

to

Lean meats
Vegetables
Fruit
Salads
Nuts
Seeds
Good quality oils
etc.

Has got to be a good thing imo!

My diet is TERRIBLE. Pizza. KFC, Burger King, Indians etc etc. When I stopped bodybuilding 6 yrs or so ago. I also changed my job and became a lot more sedentary. This has led to weight gain I seem to be either chained to my office desk or out on the road. My business runs 24hr and some days I can do 22 solid hours.

That aside I need to sort myself out. I'm on BP medication and have Ulcerative Colitis. Recently started to get either psoriasis or more likely eczema.
When I went for a colonoscopy my BP was 220/150 they were worried I might have a stroke.
medication has brought it down to 131/80 today.

Ive started a Paleo'ish diet and starting to feel better already. No weight loss as yet, but i'm still chained to the desk.
Eating veg now although I have to be careful having UC as I dont want to set anything off again.

A Paleo'ish diet should be a lot easier to stick to. Fingers crossed
 
Wow, good luck with it mattyg. When did you start?

That was high BP but I am sure mine would be the same with a camera up my arse!

Have you tried the banana pancakes for breakfast?
 
Wow, good luck with it mattyg. When did you start?

That was high BP but I am sure mine would be the same with a camera up my arse!

Have you tried the banana pancakes for breakfast?

That was before the camera went up. That was the worry..:D

Its going to be a MASSIVE lifestyle change. The biggest change is trying to eat before we get ravenous, As only a 12" deep pan Meat feast will hit the spot then.

I'm easing myself into it at the moment. I've just had Grilled fish, New potatoes and Garlic 'n Cheese (I know) Mushrooms. Tomorrow might be Fillet steak and Sweet potato wedges.

In this interim period I WILL still let myself have a Pizza or Garlic bread. or even Fish n'chips from the Chippy. However I'm trying to eat better 80% of the time which is much better than eating bad 100% of the time.
When I was out on the road I could do KFC 5 evenings a week. This IS a big change for me.

Baby steps.

Lots of little changes and some Big ones. Now i've got to get myself back on the mountain bike.
 
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