The Console Market Is In Crisis: Hardcore gamers better off with high end gaming PC than the current
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Does anyone think either MS or SONY could release updated consoles much sooner this time round then before? Being X86, backwards compatibility shouldn't be a problem and the new consoles can just run the same games at higher res/FPS but the older(current) consoles would still be able to play.
We update phones/tablets and plenty of other stuff every 1-2 years and they cost similar amounts.
Cant bare to think we are going to be stuck with this level of hardware for the ~ 7 years
We update phones/tablets and plenty of other stuff every 1-2 years and they cost similar amounts.
Cant bare to think we are going to be stuck with this level of hardware for the ~ 7 years
How so?
If you don't have a PC then you're getting a lot of those games for Xbox One and with the Wii U you get arguably the strongest line of first party exclusives.
You're either a gamer or not, every system has (or will have) things to be proud about and that are worth playing. Why do you only have to combo two? Arguably the best combo (if we have to be really limiting as gamers) is PS4 and Wii U. Not that there's any need to really have anything beyond last generations consoles...
Because that's really brilliant for game developers. The leaps between consoles is what allows clear generational leaps in games. iOS games on iPhones have to run across machines for a long time for example. If you release updates then you end up with a lot of people who don't have machines and are unable to therefore run newer games, isolating huge chunks of the market. Result of that is that games don't sell in huge numbers, publishers lose money and developers lose jobs.
That's the reason that the majority of publishers publish to consoles first and PC second.
Specs are closer to the 7850 than the 7870/7790 (IIRC its closest to a slightly downclocked 7790 on the PS4) and slower again on the xbox one - which puts them specs wise in a similiar bracket to cards like the GTX465/470 and AMD equivalents of 2010.
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eugh, this article and thread are utter tosh.
"hardcore gamers" like and love the games generally yes? I'd consider myself a hardcore gamer, the reason I spend so much to own all platforms is so I miss no games.
is that not what you'd expect of a hardcore gamer? that article points to the usual platform elitism, rather than anything to do with being into the games.
I suppose the best way to put perspective on what I'd consider hardcore gaming enthusiast. Wii U is the weakest platform, hardware wise. Yet as a massive gamer, I need one. else I'll forfeit zelda, mario kart, metroid, bayonetta 2, Megami Tensei X....I cant do that.
so yeah, hardcore gamers who who limit themselves out of some sense of platform elitism or loyalty are only hurting themselves.
"hardcore gamers" like and love the games generally yes? I'd consider myself a hardcore gamer, the reason I spend so much to own all platforms is so I miss no games.
is that not what you'd expect of a hardcore gamer? that article points to the usual platform elitism, rather than anything to do with being into the games.
I suppose the best way to put perspective on what I'd consider hardcore gaming enthusiast. Wii U is the weakest platform, hardware wise. Yet as a massive gamer, I need one. else I'll forfeit zelda, mario kart, metroid, bayonetta 2, Megami Tensei X....I cant do that.
so yeah, hardcore gamers who who limit themselves out of some sense of platform elitism or loyalty are only hurting themselves.
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If any thing the pc market is in crisis, the normal Joe on the street will not need or care for high end pc components like the people on these forums, and the general sales of PC's and laptops is down because of the high use of tablets. The Console market is in a very stable and good condition at the moment the low cost of the hardware and consoles mean its more open to everyone without it hitting them in the pocket so hard. this is why you get massive sales on consoles rather than PC's.
I don't how PC or console is any better or worse than it has been over the past five years.
In my case I've still got a monolithic brute brute force PC that nothing comes close to taxing and is a colossal waste of money if you compare £ to hours spent on it vs my consoles.
Nothing's changed in that respect. I want developers to go back to releasing games that actually broke peoples rigs they were pushing them that hard.
In my case I've still got a monolithic brute brute force PC that nothing comes close to taxing and is a colossal waste of money if you compare £ to hours spent on it vs my consoles.
Nothing's changed in that respect. I want developers to go back to releasing games that actually broke peoples rigs they were pushing them that hard.
The branding was absolutely part of the issue, people didn't fully understand that the Wii U was an entirely new console, which is why Nintendo had to literally say "It's an entirely new console!" in the later adverts. The name didn't make clear it was a new console and not just a new version of the current Wii or a peripheral for it (considering there'd already been WiiFit, WiiPlay, Wii[whatever), it looked too similar to the Wii, all the focus was on the tablet controller which many assumed was just a new accessory, and it was a victim of Nintendo's typically shoddy marketing.
That, coupled with the fact that most people weren't using their Wiis by that point and probably hadn't turned them on in months/years, meant that the huge market the Wii had captured wasn't really interested in the Wii U anyway. Ultimately it was left to the dedicated Nintendo fans to prop it up.
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We usually get 1 sometimes 2 of those types of games every console generation, years ago we had the the Unreal games when PS2 was around, and Far Cry. Then Crysis in the days of PS3. The next title to really melt PC's during the PS4 era will likely be the Witcher 3 and no doubt another PC melting game before the PS4 era is over.
I'm happy with decent ports that have the same effects with added AA and AF at higher resolutions tbh, games that take advantage of the extra power of PC but don't require 4 graphics cards to run
My PC was pretty expensive, however I use it for a lot more than just games, it's used for a lot of productivity, with the bonus of being able to play games at high resolution with details turned up.
Generally speaking, a PC solely for games isn't really the most sensible of options, when talking value for money it's kinda like buying a console for one game and then complaining about the cost you've paid for a single game.
Ignoring that though, PS3 and Xbox 360 just couldn't come close to matching the visuals on offer with PCs, for example I've started playing Borderlands 2 again recently, and it's such an extremely good looking game, despite what some people would have you believe (HERP DERP CONSOLE PORTS. HOLDING BACK PCS. THEY LOOK THE SAME DERP), and the ability to play across more than 1 monitor, or the way you can tailor the experience to suit you is just where it's at with PCs.
I love consoles too, but for me PC is the luxury experience where you can indulge, whereas consoles are good for great games, but you're limited in the way you can play them.
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Regardless, there is no crisis.
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What were you expecting for £350?
Did you expect a £1000 graphics card and a £500 cpu with £100 worth of RAM?
I play games on PC and PS3 and like the both equally thank god we have some choice.
I like the PC since games are on my SSD and load quick but I like the PS3 because the graphics scale nice to my 32" tv.
Also love PS+ playing Oblivion and Metro for hardly any cash.
I like the fact you can chat to players met on FIFA on PS3 but not on PC
There aren't any conclusive arguements for either.
Can you build a PC and have it running as a games machine for the same price as a PS4 , including blu-ray and media capabilities, really that's the only thing that can be compared since they two are not really comparable.
I like the PC since games are on my SSD and load quick but I like the PS3 because the graphics scale nice to my 32" tv.
Also love PS+ playing Oblivion and Metro for hardly any cash.I like the fact you can chat to players met on FIFA on PS3 but not on PC
There aren't any conclusive arguements for either.
Can you build a PC and have it running as a games machine for the same price as a PS4 , including blu-ray and media capabilities, really that's the only thing that can be compared since they two are not really comparable.
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And obviously the most important thing about a console is the hardware inside it. lol
Also. Comparing a PC and a console is hard done, Have you seen what they managed to do with 256mb RAM On PS3? When a system is dedicated to one venture, its amazing what's achievable. The Last of Us? Uncharted?
Now we have a PS4, with 8GB DDR5. Yeah maybe its a year old tech wise, but if they do the optimization in the same way. It won't matter in the slightest. I have no clue what The sequel to the Last of Us, Uncharted or Beyonds Two Souls will look like on the New hardware. But considering how amazing they look on the PS3. I can only imagine they will look, and more importantly PLAY simply amazingly.
PCs are amazing machines, I'm currently waiting on payday to cough up £530 on a 290x Lightning edition. But seriously, Devs on PC need to tighten up their optimization, And we need more immersive content, and decent 3rd person action adventures!
Few games manage to get to the same quality on PC, as what's on console.(Don't get your back up, Keep reading!
)I'm not talking about Sexy graphics, We all know the PC is a powerhouse. I'm talking about the quality of IPs.
It's not PCs fault, The developers generally aim to release to mass markets, and the Console market is a very very easy target.