How do you get to that world though?
International Women's Day - Best Wishes :)
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How do you get to that world though?
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International Man's day is next week, the 14th
The card industry must be very happy.
What a load of ******
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The card industry must be very happy.
What a load of ******
It's steak and BJ day, it isn't called 'International Man's Day', there are no cards, you get a steak cooked, and you get BJ.
One month after Valentine's.
There are actually cards but I don't think Hallmark would touch this one with a bargepole
That's a touch vague though.
But at least it's in the right direction rather than completely the opposite. Of course, that's for people who want what I described. For people who want the opposite, what's being done is excellent.
The problem is that it isn't really in the right direction, it is just supporting the status quo by not really doing anything.
How do we move towards a more equal world without pressing for the rights of the people that are currently being discriminated against?
IWD has nothing to do with women being superior. It's a celebration of women and their achievements.
Do you refuse to celebrate celebrate Mothers Day because you like your father just as much?
That would be pretty much everyone, in various ways to various extents. It's also far from being as simple as a matter of what kind of genitals a person has. It is not true that all female people are the same person in the same circumstances and all male people are the same person in the same circumstances, despite how popular it is to believe so.
We certainly don't move towards a more equal world by endlessly promoting that idea and the accompanying idea that "the sexes" should be treated differently and viewed as completely different and seperate and that only one sex matters on a socio-political level.
How about having a "let's stop pretending that all that matters is a person's sex day"?
In other words, how about trying to make things better rather than worse?
The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they go together extremely well.
You have a worldwide day dedicated to the idea that only one sex matters, that all people of the "right" sex are to be lauded solely for being the "right" sex (both of which of obviously depend on accepting the idea that everyone is wholly defined by their sex) and you're seriously claiming that it has nothing to do with perceived superiority. Don't be silly.
In any case, you changed the meaning of my post by quoting only part of it. I did not say that IWD was about women being superior. I said that there were several things I wanted society to be and that IWD works against those things. Mostly the 1st and 2nd, which inevitably leads to the 3rd to at least some degree. I did not say what you claim I said, that IWD is directly about the 3rd.
Do you understand the difference between an individual and several billion people with nothing in common other than what kind of genitals they have?
It's a serious question, although it shouldn't be, because so many people are conditioned to be unable to understand that difference.
And that's what I'd like to change, essentially. You'd like to at least maintain the status quo and even strengthen it. I'd like to remove it entirely. Not much common ground there.
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It's intended as a counter balance to the man-weighted world we live in. Highlighting the wide and varied achievements and contributions of women so as not to perpetuate the received wisdom that their uses are limited to purposes considered feminine.
Men's achievements and contributions are much more regularly recognised as a matter of course. This may be because they do "man for man" achieve more - but that's surely a symptom of an unfairly weighted society? Unless we're to suggest that women are inherently less capable than men
I would qualify that "Women's Day" sounds pretty naff, but the principle is sound.
I think IWD is an excellent idea. Having a day a year to reflect upon the tremendous achievements of women in a world that is heavily weighted against them provides us with both food for thought and time to reflect on how we may make the world a better place by promoting gender equality. Rarely are we given the opportunity to think about how this imbalance of opportunity affects the sisterhood and so by scheduling a day out we can rectify that and make sure that our resolve to change the world for the better is steeled.
I think you're the one being silly. It's possible to celebrate one group of people without considering them to be superior. People are defined by many things, gender is just one.
Whether you want everyone to be equal or not (and equal doesn't mean homogeneous), there are issues that primarily only affect one sex or the other. Even in a perfect world, you're never going to get pregnant for example.
Really? Did you post the same rant on International Men's Day? It's odd that these 'I want everyone to be equal!' posts only come up when an event is biased towards women.
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But it's not YOUR mother's day, it's "just 'Mothers' Day'". So a celebration of several billion people with nothing in common other than what kind of genitals they have (and have used them for reproductive purposes).
Is there an International Men's Day? I've never heard of one. If it exists and if it's on a similar scale and if anyone promotes it here, I'll respond in the same way for the same reason because it's the same thing and wrong in the same way.
Sexism and hypocrisy annoy some people. Particularly the hypocrisy.
If everyone sent everyone's mother a card on mother's day, you'd have a good point. But they don't - it's about my mother for me, your mother for you, etc.
And yes, I'd prefer there to be parent's day instead. But it would upset my mother if I didn't do mother's day, so I do.
This is 2014, not 1814 high society (there was never anywhere near as much sexism in the working class because it was a luxury they couldn't afford). The "received wisdom" nowadays is that women are far more useful than men. In this part of the world, anyway.
And I wouldn't.
Firstly because it's sexist and hypocritical. That alone would be enough to make it offensive to me.
Secondly because even if you ignore that it's still a deeply flawed approach. A big part of the underlying problem is women being treated as a special case rather than as part of the default. More in some times and places than others, but almost always to at least some degree and sometimes pretty much completely. Obviously, IWD makes that worse. So I think that even if you think that sexism and hypocrisy is the route to sexual equality you should still be opposed to it on that basis. If sexual equality is your goal, of course. If more sexism is your goal, then it's a great idea.
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My Girlfriends inability to do anything at all DIY related is testament to how useless they can be at some things. That and driving.