Our Bullmastiff caught a burglar last night

Sunbed said:
Because all burglers are psycopathic rapists too? The burglar got into the guy's shed. I'd rather lose a few tools than live with the knowledge that there is someone out there that has suffered ingury because of my dog. I'd be more concerned for my gf in the latter scenario too.
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Who said anything about rape? He only lost a few tool becuase the dog was there, sounds like he was on his way into the house, so who knows what else could've happened, you're specualating just as much as I am. I'd rather a burglar get hurt then me not lose any of my possesions tbh.

Sunbed said:
OP will probably say the dog did what it was trained to do and didn't injure the trespasser any more than necessary. I accept that but I still wouldn't brag about it on the internet.
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Each to their own I suppose. I for one am glad a burglar has had misery and pain inflicted on him as opposed to him inflicting it on others.
 
Sunbed said:
Because all burglers are psycopathic rapists too? The burglar got into the guy's shed. I'd rather lose a few tools than live with the knowledge that there is someone out there that has suffered ingury because of my dog. I'd be more concerned for my gf in the latter scenario too.

OP will probably say the dog did what it was trained to do and didn't injure the trespasser any more than necessary. I accept that but I still wouldn't brag about it on the internet.
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I think there's proportionality to consider. Burglary is a crime which has effect beyond just losing a few possessions. That said, it's not murder, rape or GBH. If the dog had killed him, or caused significant injury, I might be tempted to agree with you. As it happens, this burglar's comeuppance seems pretty proportionate - got pretty well roughed up, probably **** himself, but probably didn't suffer long-term physical consequences.
 
Animals Act 1971

(1)A person is not liable under sections 2 to 4 of this Act for any damage which is due wholly to the fault of the person suffering it.

(2)A person is not liable under section 2 of this Act for any damage suffered by a person who has voluntarily accepted the risk thereof.

(3)A person is not liable under section 2 of this Act for any damage caused by an animal kept on any premises or structure to a person trespassing there, if it is proved either—
(a)that the animal was not kept there for the protection of persons or property; or
(b)(if the animal was kept there for the protection of persons or property) that keeping it there for that purpose was not unreasonable.


“damage” includes the death of, or injury to, any person (including any disease and any impairment of physical or mental condition)
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So all you keyboard warriors can go now, OP and his dog win, Burglar and you lot lose.


EDIT: In fact and i know im guilty of it myself in this thread, we should stop getting hung up on the fact the victim was a "burglar" although to all intense and purposes he probably was, the fact remains he was also a trespasser and that is all that matters here.
 
nick.lidgett said:
So all you keyboard warriors can go now, OP and his dog win, Burglar and you lot lose.


EDIT: In fact and i know im guilty of it myself in this thread, we should stop getting hung up on the fact the victim was a "burglar" although to all intense and purposes he probably was, the fact remains he was also a trespasser and that is all that matters here.
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A child fetching a ball is a trespasser. That may make it legal for your dog to kill it, but it doesn't make it right.

The burglar bit IS important to the moral issue, which is mainly what is being discussed
 
first of all Well done dog :cool:

second everyone moaning about it really should just stay off of other peoples land and nothing bad might happen,... simples :rolleyes:......

if people blatantly go around someones land/property they should be prepared for anything especially if they pass a beware of the dog sign. :confused: the world really is lacking common sense these days!!!
 
cheesyboy said:
A child fetching a ball is a trespasser. That may make it legal for your dog to kill it, but it doesn't make it right.

The burglar bit IS important to the moral issue, which is mainly what is being discussed
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Thats why i was taught to knock on somebodies door and ask politely for my ball back, if there was no answer it was tough id just have to wait until they was in.

You cant expect a dog owner to be responsible for somebody elses children who have no respect for other peoples property and think letting themselves through a gate or climbing a fence is acceptable.
 
nick.lidgett said:
Thats why i was taught to knock on somebodies door and ask politely for my ball back, if there was no answer it was tough id just have to wait until they was in.

You cant expect a dog owner to be responsible for somebody elses children who have no respect for other peoples property and think letting themselves through a gate or climbing a fence is acceptable.
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So, to be clear, you consider it to be ok for someone's dog to kill a child fetching their ball from the dog's garden? There's no moral issue to you - it's legal, therefore it's ok?

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Not all parents are as good as yours (at teaching about knocking). That's not the child's fault - it's not ok for your dog to eat them.
 
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cheesyboy said:
So, to be clear, you consider it to be ok for someone's dog to kill a child fetching their ball from the dog's garden? There's no moral issue to you - it's legal, therefore it's ok?
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Its wrong for a person to trespass regardless of age, why do you feel the need to tug on our moral heart strings and bring children into the argument.

Of course i would hate to see a child attacked by a dog, even more so over something as trivial as fetching a ball back.

But it wasnt a child in this case, it was an adult trespasser so im finding it difficult to see youre point in the OPs case.
 
why do i just get the feeling that this thread is full of health and saftey townies.....lol

in the country you would hope too just meet a dog or else you might end up with an ass full of buck shot
 
nick.lidgett said:
Its wrong for a person to trespass regardless of age, why do you feel the need to tug on our moral heart strings and bring children into the argument.

Of course i would hate to see a child attacked by a dog, even more so over something as trivial as fetching a ball back.

But it wasnt a child in this case, it was an adult trespasser so im finding it difficult to see youre point in the OPs case.
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I'm not talking about the OP's case, I'm talking about your preposition that the law makes it irrelevant that it was a burglar - it's being a tresspasser which qualifies you to be attacked.
 
Such a heart warming story!

Makes me feel I should give in to the g/f's insistence of getting a dog.

Really wish we had one like yours when our last place got burgled! so many sleepless nights.
 
Rainmaker said:
No, the guy got into the shed and then went to get in through the unlocked back door, despite knowing my fiancee was in the kitchen. That's the point he was discovered and fought off by the dog. Given that my car was gone it's entirely possible he knew she was home alone. Either way I won't be shedding any tears for the poor burglar getting more than he bargained for.
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OK burglar approaching house knowing fiancee is there changes things. I didn't quite get that from the OP. I would also have no qualms about putting dog between my gf and some burglar in similar situation.

Still, I don't really see what you're trying to gain from your thread. I doubt we'll see eye to eye on that so I'll leave it there.

Rainmaker said:
If you'd honestly rather have your hard earned possessions stolen than see a burglar accosted by a dog that's your business. I'll wager you're in a bleeding heart minority however.
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Obviously it depends on the possessions we're talking about. In the knowledge that the guy was trying to get into your house knowing your fiancee was there, I have less sympathy for him.

Still, in the hypothetical situation that a burglar was only trying to take things from my shed, I'd probably let him. Why? Maybe the next garden he visits he takes a knife to 'protect' himself, or blames you/your fiancee for the inguries your dog gave him and smashes a window/attacks your fiancee when she is out the house, or (as others have said) poisons your dog? I'd just rather not have that on my mind. I may be a 'bleeding heart' but I think the 'that will teach him' attitude is more dangerous in many circumstances.
 
Sunbed said:
Still, in the hypothetical situation that a burglar was only trying to take things from my shed, I'd probably let him. Why? Maybe the next garden he visits he takes a knife to 'protect' himself, or blames you/your fiancee for the inguries your dog gave him and smashes a window/attacks your fiancee when she is out the house, or (as others have said) poisons your dog? I'd just rather not have that on my mind. I may be a 'bleeding heart' but I think the 'that will teach him' attitude is more dangerous in many circumstances.
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You might think its all noble, but once youre marked as an easy target by thieves, they will be back and they will be more daring. You are basically inviting one into your house at some point.

Using a security system (dogs, lights, PIDs) is not going to invite revenge, its going to scare them off to easier targets. That may not be the ideal solution as far as youre concerned but it will eb a lot better than a complete stranger in your house with your family.
 
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What a great dog! Shame the low life got away in one piece. My parents house was burgled on Saturday when my dad was out walking the dogs. It happened at 14:00 and they entered through the two front doors off a busy road. House was ransacked :(.
 
Tip: don't become a burglar unless you're prepared to deal with some of the cons i.e prison time, being attacked in defence by a home owner or being mauled by a dog. he knew the risks before jumping the fence into someones garden with the intent of trying the house doors/windows etc too.


tough **** to the burglar i say :) he had what was coming to him. good on the op and his faithfaul dog! (y)
 
Devlish said:
You might think its all noble, but once youre marked as an easy target by thieves, they will be back and they will be more daring. You are basically inviting one into your house at some point.

Using a security system (dogs, lights, PIDs) is not going to invite revenge, its going to scare them off to easier targets. That may not be the ideal solution as far as youre concerned but it will eb a lot better than a complete stranger in your house with your family.
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I accept that, but when I say 'let them' (steal), I really meant 'do everything within the law and without having to resort to violence as a means of dissuading a potential burglar'. Better locks/lights etc is fine. My overall point is: most people on here seemingly can't wait for the day they get to kick a burglars head in or get their dogs to cause harm of their behalf. I find that a bit weird :p
 
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