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Handle or grip?
A45 AMG Test Drive - First Impressions
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Handle or grip?
On what experience are you basing that arbitrary statement?
Forza
Reminds me I need to get the IGN and the other car packs for Forza 5...maybe then I'll be able to post my experiences of some more cars
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Mitsubishi are world leaders with Nissan when it comes to AWD systems in fast cars. Compared to Mercedes who dabbled in a bit of Haldex.
Mercedes have never used Haldex. Haldex is Swedish.
Mercedes 4-Matic, which they have been using since 1987, was designed in conjunction with Steyr.
Oh, and they've been producing the G-Wagen since 1979.
And the Unimog started life in the 1940s, so MB do know a little bit about 4WD...
Mercedes have been producing full-time 4WD cars for decades. They hardly just 'dabble in a bit of Haldex'.
Lol bad poster spotted
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The haldex was more of a sweeping statement of the fwd based reactive system rather than the brand. Also I am aware of the G Wagens and other 4 matic systems but they are all off road based. This is the first time Mercedes have ever attempted anything sporty with 4wd. The japs have been refining it for decades.
Bwuahahahahah. Absolute rubbish. They have been producing 4wd road cars for decades! You don't do much offroading in an E Class, for example.
Is a 1987 W124 an off-roader?
Really?
I take it the 550bhp E63 4Matic isn't sporty then?
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[TW]Fox;26019772 said:
optional extra and lhd only plus is very new as well. Off road based means entirely that. Doesn't have to be a land rover. All those 4wd mercs are for a market where bad weather and poor conditions are needed not the sports characteristics of AWD. Hense my off road comment. Again a sweeping statement that has been mis read.
But predates the A45, just.
Keep moving those goalposts. An E Class is not an off-road vehicle nor is it designed to be used off-road.
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[TW]Fox;26019942 said:
The 4wd on a E Class was never intended with sports in mind but rather utility. This is the difference between the Jap systems of the past decades which have gone in a different direction.
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Seriously guys
No one can comment which will handle or grip better because of what you read on the Internet or because one manufacturer has being doing it longer than another. Yes the Japs might have more experience and should be better, but the only real way to know is to drive them both. The Mercs suspension, track width, tyre size and all wheel system could be setup in a way that makes it feel RWD and very sporting something only Nissan have really achieved with GTR's as they are RWD until otherwise needed.
Let's wait for the owner to take delivery, he had a Scoob, let's see how someone who has owned them thinks as he is in a far better position to comment.
Once the 911 is back on the road I shall try and convince Mercedes to give me an A45 AMG for a weekend as I want to see how it compares to my EVO X which was a superb road car and was not full of understeer like most 4WD stuff, well not when you disabled the electronic stuff.
No one can comment which will handle or grip better because of what you read on the Internet or because one manufacturer has being doing it longer than another. Yes the Japs might have more experience and should be better, but the only real way to know is to drive them both. The Mercs suspension, track width, tyre size and all wheel system could be setup in a way that makes it feel RWD and very sporting something only Nissan have really achieved with GTR's as they are RWD until otherwise needed.
Let's wait for the owner to take delivery, he had a Scoob, let's see how someone who has owned them thinks as he is in a far better position to comment.
Once the 911 is back on the road I shall try and convince Mercedes to give me an A45 AMG for a weekend as I want to see how it compares to my EVO X which was a superb road car and was not full of understeer like most 4WD stuff, well not when you disabled the electronic stuff.
I stand corrected. A, B and CLA use Haldex. Presumably because they're (originally) FWD.
The 991 Turbo is Haldex AWD though.
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Haldex seems to install people with a sense of application? They make loads of stuff, guess its just a VAGism.... just not that exciting 
What was the 997.2 as that thing blew everything away for ability on track in the wet and had good oversteer. Though it was way easier to drive compared to the RWD models.