Female paedophiles have it easy?!

[Werewolf]

Better than an apologist policeman.

I take it then that you know more than a Judge, are fully aware of ALL the facts of the case and ALL the governments guidelines and recent updates to the sentencing guideinlines?


Thought not.

Judges despite the tabloids frequent attempts to paint them as such, are rarely idiots, but there are times when their decisions whilst being completely legally correct and in full accordance with all the guidelines do look stupid.
Unfortunately for the legal system in this country, the Politicians will often be more than happy to jump on the bandwagon to appease the ignorant masses who believe every bit of rubbish printed in the hamster cage liners, and will criticise a Judge despite having no details of the case themselves (and often no experience in the law*), and despite the fact that it is the Politicians who ultimately decide the available sentencing choices, decide on the definition of the offences (when they create the law), and the conditions under which the judiciary must work (for example the idiots who decided to close prison places without looking at the increasing number of prisoners, or the fact that they were creating more and more offences which could land someone inside, thus judges and magistrates get little notes reminding them that "please remember we are down to X spaces in the countries gaols, try not to send anyone to gaol unless you really have to")

I would place far more trust in a Judge's ability to follow the details of a case, and come to the correct sentencing decision as allowed by the Government, than most of the papers who seem to have trouble getting the names of the defendant or judge, or the actual offences involved right half the time. Especially when a paper calls a Judge soft or "out of touch" for a sentence which if you look at the publicly available guidelines can actually be on the harsher side of what is allowed (or when a week before the same paper was calling a Judge harsh for the same sort of offence and sentence, but the person involved was a "war hero"**, or Grandmother***).


*Even Politicians who claim to have passed a law degree usually seem to show that they must have been asleep in much of the classes (and if not, have probably not bothered to keep up on the changes since they attended 20 years ago as part of their master plan to become an MP).

**Translation anyone who has served in the armed forces

***Translation middle class 40 year old whose 19yo has had a baby

 

[Energize]

I take it then that you know more than a Judge, are fully aware of ALL the facts of the case and ALL the governments guidelines and recent updates to the sentencing guideinlines?

The judges comments about embarrassment etc have nothing to do with sentencing guidelines.

And they are irrelevant because there is no justification for such a sentence for anyone capable of standing a trial.

 

[Burnsy2023]

It's irrelevant because there is no justification for such a sentence for anyone capable of standing a trial.

Also the judges comments about embarrassment etc have nothing to do with sentencing guidelines.

Unless the law doesn't allow them to sentence any higher? There's no point handing down a sentence that will just be appealed.

 

[Energize]

Based on what the judge said I fully believe he thought the absurd sentence was appropriate regardless of any guidelines, so he is an idiot.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Based on what the judge said I fully believe he thought the absurd sentence was appropriate regardless of any guidelines, so he is an idiot.

Or perhaps he's just better at being a judge than you?

 

[Tefal]

I think it would be difficult to prove she didn't reasonably believe you consented.

nope would be very easy, as it would be the exact same measuer of when a man sleeps with a drunk girl. he was intoxicated to the point of having no memory of events and loosing consciousness and so cannot consent, thats how it goes for women.

Also in that story it seems like he;s woken up by the assault. pretty sure you can't consent when you're out cold.

Next you'll be telling us that an erection counts as consent.

 

[Energize]

Or perhaps he's just better at being a judge than you?

Like I said, I confine myself to reality so I have to reject that possibility based on the evidence at hand and the judges behavior.

There is never justification for such a sentence for child molestation.

Embarrassment does not mitigate criminal actions.

It is awfully naive to think that judges are infallible or that they all have good judgement, especially when faced with clear evidence to the contrary. We have here a judge minimizing child molestation and justifying his sentencing actions based on the fact that the defendant is embarrassed.

His leniency puts more children at risk of being abused by her and he is an embarrassment to the justice system. It would not be so bad if he were deferring to the sentencing guidelines but his statements show a deluded belief that his decisions were actually correct.

 

[Hyburnate]

What I don't get here (I can't seem to find the case transcripts etc but I'll have a proper look later) is that the victim in question was age 8 to 10 for the period of the offences. She should be convicted of "Sexual assault of a child under 13" there can be no conviction of rape due to the wording of the legislation, the wording puts it that for rape to take place penetration needs to occur. It is also against the law to engage in sexual activity however the law states that penetration without consent must happen. So the laws broken mean that she could be put in jail for a maximum of 14 years, obviously this didn't happen. I'm going to try and find the prosecution guidelines for this case and the transcript.

 

[Omaeka]

Where were all the sex starved 21 year old women when I was 8? I'd of been happy to bone a teacher.

 

[Neil79]

I wanted to bone the Drama Teacher, then again everyone else did as well!

 

[Burnsy2023]

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/75

75 (2) (d)

It's not quite as clear as that though. If you come back from a club, have consensual sex (potentially on a couple of occasions) and then fall asleep your partner could argue to the court that you believe the consent was there.

It's different if you don't have any other implied consent though.

 

[Craterloads]

If the circumstances were exactly the same but with it being a man and an 8yr girl, would the sentence be the same?

 

[IronWarrior]

Are you seriously condoning child sexual abuse?

What's wrong with you?

Come on, the boy loved it like anyone would or are you saying you wouldn't? How many of us had "hot" teachers at school who we all wanted to "bone" as to say.

Apparently he was boasting about it in the playground! That was the only reason she got found out

Indeed, next time he needs to keep his mouth shut. lol

If the circumstances were exactly the same but with it being a man and an 8yr girl, would the sentence be the same?

Think we all know the answer to that, he would had been locked up for least 6-10 years and had his his own cell for protection.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Come on, the boy loved it like anyone would or are you saying you wouldn't? How many of us had "hot" teachers at school who we all wanted to "bone" as to say.

:/

The child was only 8.

 

[Hyburnate]

The boy will be mentally scarred for the rest of his life.

Infact "bragging" about it is a coping technique, he's trying to force himself to think it's good.
Anyone who thinks he enjoyed it and will put it on his CV for the rest of his life needs a reality check and a ban from the forum. He's lost something he'll never get back.

 

[Craterloads]

Come on, the boy loved it like anyone would or are you saying you wouldn't? How many of us had "hot" teachers at school who we all wanted to "bone" as to say.

At 8 years old, most likely not. 12-13 yes maybe. At eight I think I was too busy running around making car noises, never mind wanting to "bone" teachers.

Think we all know the answer to that, he would had been locked up for least 6-10 years and had his his own cell for protection.

Surely there is something wrong with the system here and society as a whole if that is how it is.

 

[Josh]

At 8 I don't think girls were anything more than smelly things that followed me around. He is a child, regardless of how "mature" kids are these days, he is still a vulnerable young child.

All the comments saying "he loved it" etc are depraved & pathetic.

 

[Burnsy2023]

The boy will be mentally scarred for the rest of his life.

That's not necessarily the case, but children should be protected from this sort of stuff regardless.

 

[arknor]

how many people actually had an interest in sex at 8 years old?
I think I was about 13-14 when I first had any interest in self pleasuring

 

[Hyburnate]

At 8 I don't think girls were anything more than smelly things that followed me around. He is a child, regardless of how "mature" kids are these days, he is still a vulnerable young child.

All the comments saying "he loved it" etc are depraved & pathetic.

Completely agree, at the age of 8 it's unimaginable, I go to the library every week and I see 8 year olds all the time there and the most important thing to them is getting a new book to read.

That's not necessarily the case, but children should be protected from this sort of stuff regardless.

You're right he may be too young to remember it. But she will have definitely groomed him into doing it and I'm pretty sure he's going to need some counselling.

how many people actually had an interest in sex at 8 years old?
I think I was about 13-14 when I first had any interest in self pleasuring

Couldn't agree more, from the onset of puberty is where sexual things start, when I was 11 or 12 and doing sex education at school, you'd giggle about the things not consider things sexually. I personally believe the laws need to be reworked around the ages of 14 and 15 due to the amount of people getting prosecuted for sexual relations at these ages etc.