8k broadcast's on its way, not soon but coming!

V F said:
This is amusing. Who's even delivering full HD broadcasting to it's full potential?
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The people in the broadcasting room. The general public do not see the full potential of the HD, heck nor SD. It's not really a surprise though, it'd cost a **** ton.
 
Sky was really close when they were first airing the 007 Bond channel. I almost couldn't tell the difference between Blu-Ray and broadcast. Things have changed greatly since then.

So when all this 2k/4k/8k starts to hit Sky and the likes will butcher HD like they did with SD when HD was on the arrival? Look at Sky SD now. Some of it looks close to awful 2004/5 Youtube clips and muddy sound. Pop in a SD DVD film, my god.
 
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V F said:
This is amusing. Who's even delivering full HD broadcasting to it's full potential?
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Doesn't South Korea have extremely high bitrate hd and 4k already.

For UK market pointless, broadcasting wise and TV size wise. Even 4k is pointless in uk, apart from the half dozen people with a massive TV and sit about 2ft away from it. Even if 100"+ TVs became cheap and really your looking at 120"+ how many people would actually have space to fit them in the size of our lounges in the UK. maybe in countries like America where they have so much space, houses aren't crammed into tiny plots. But then americas so massive, infrastructure costs to much and outside the major cities it's like going back 3 or 4 decades.
Even 1440p I need a minimum of 80" according to THX.
 
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Glaucus said:
Doesn't South Korea have extremely high bitrate hd and 4k already.

For UK market pointless, broadcasting wise and TV size wise. Even 4k is pointless in uk, apart from the half dozen people with a massive TV and sit about 2ft away from it. Even if 100"+ TVs became cheap and really your looking at 120"+ how many people would actually have space to fit them in the size of our lounges in the UK. maybe in countries like America where they have so much space, houses aren't crammed into tiny plots. But then americas so massive, infrastructure costs to much and outside the major cities it's like going back 3 or 4 decades.
Even 1440p I need a minimum of 80" according to THX.
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South Korea have the infrastructure there, we brits don't.
 
I find that funny - Europe is larger in land mass than US. We are just split apart :)

I do believe the US has it nailed when home building however as they plan in basements and structured wiring. Over here its just throw it all in any way you can.

Back to topic I've yet to witness 4K and to be honest I was happy with DVD before blu ray. I only got a full hd tv because blu ray became cheaper.

Im planning on a 4k projector eventually but im waiting to see what jvc bring to the market first. 4K gaming does sound good though.
 
Spook187 said:
It would be nice to get true 1080p broadcast first.
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why?

you would have to be a ignorant to watch 1080P over 8K even on a 1080P screen. 8K would be far superior due to it being super sampled.

as long as the price for 4K or 8K is the same price as HD or slightly more, I'd rather watch it on my 1080P panel than 1080P.

roll on 4K and 8K, I want the channels even though I have no intention of buying a 4K or 8K tv any time soon, so I can get the best PQ possible on my 1080P panel.
 
You aren't going to see 8k in the uk on any form of terrestrial broadcast for a long time. You aren't even going to see 1080p as the adopted standard is 1080i50. (at least for us) Sky is a different matter, where you never know, although i don't and will never have sky. Where i work, our region are still working in SD with the plan to finally move to HD in the summer when we move premises. (which means all new equipment, costing millions) All footage is either XDCAM 50 mbit or DNxHD 185 mbit. (DNxHD 185 @ 1080i50 is roughly a gigabyte per minute) By the time you see it at home, it's probably around 5% of that.

As to the above, you won't be able to down sample 4K/8K to your current TV without an intermediate tuner doing the conversion to 1080p.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
why?

you would have to be a ignorant to watch 1080P over 8K even on a 1080P screen. 8K would be far superior due to it being super sampled.

as long as the price for 4K or 8K is the same price as HD or slightly more, I'd rather watch it on my 1080P panel than 1080P.

roll on 4K and 8K, I want the channels even though I have no intention of buying a 4K or 8K tv any time soon, so I can get the best PQ possible on my 1080P panel.
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Can you take off your geeky nerdy view for 5 minutes and see how absurd this sounds? This country isn't ready. UK is always last when it comes to most things then when UK thinks it's revolutionary, others have been playing with new technology again while we've been playing with the old stuff.
 
V F said:
Can you take off your geeky nerdy view for 5 minutes and see how absurd this sounds? This country isn't ready. UK is always last when it comes to most things then when UK thinks it's revolutionary, others have been playing with new technology again while we've been playing with the old stuff.
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Why isn't it ready?

"With H.265, 4K streaming could be possible with as little as 20-30 Mbps of bandwidth. Still a lot by today’s standards, but not completely unheard of"

http://nofilmschool.com/2013/01/h265-hevc-video-streaming-4k/

sky HD currently uses up to 20 Mbps iirc therefore 4K won't use a lot more bandwidth if they capped it at 20Mbps, it would be low bit rate 4K but I'd rather have low bit rate 4K than low bit rate 1080P.

all they would need to do is create new UHD boxes with H.265 tuners in them the problem is the transition period, they would need to have SD, HD and 4K all at the same time which won't be possible with the current bandwidth so they need to scrap one. What they could do is scrap HD, refund everyone with HD subs £10 per month of their bill. Then offer 4K and the opportunity to buy a new 4K box with a H.265 tuner in it at a reduced rate for being a current HD customer if they trade in their current box or something.

That way they get all the old boxes back, swap out tuners and punt them back into the market. Scrap HD and put 4K in it's place quickly. It would be nightmare having to swap out 1 million tuners but it could be done.

4K is possible, it's just going to be a transitional nightmare, they need to scrap HD and replace it with 4K and then allow HD customers to get 4K easily.

Basically they would need to implement a HD - 4K upgrade plan, problem is you cannot do it regionally the whole of the UK would need to be upgraded the same day because they use Satellite. That is where the problem lies. They will have to do it at some point so sooner rather than later would be best unless they wait til everything is HD and then scrap SD.

They could maybe even allow people to swap tuners themselves manually but then stating they wouldn't be covered by warranty for doing so, etc but that is the risk you would need to take for not having a lot of downtime.

Their is no easy way to do it unfortunately, but it is very much possible.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
why?

you would have to be a ignorant to watch 1080P over 8K even on a 1080P screen. 8K would be far superior due to it being super sampled.

as long as the price for 4K or 8K is the same price as HD or slightly more, I'd rather watch it on my 1080P panel than 1080P.

roll on 4K and 8K, I want the channels even though I have no intention of buying a 4K or 8K tv any time soon, so I can get the best PQ possible on my 1080P panel.
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My guess is sky will be on the ball for 4K/8K but will come as a premium like HD is now, look at when the BBC started doing HD broadcasts and now look, it's gone backwards in PQ:( shocking really.
 
as has been seen with iplayer and its new codec its has improved, still nowhere near a proper hd picture quality with its 720p signal funny when you have youtube doing 1080p 1440p and above, yet the bbc and others seem to struggle with 720p.

4/8k would be great but the best thing the uk could do is jump from 1080p to 8k and forgo the cost of 4k as its looking more and more like a stop gap.
 
Feels to me like the companies are rushing to push the technology changes too quickly.

I certainly wont be investing 4k never mind 8k for a good while because I just don't have any content for it.

Hawker
 
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