It's here - Sharia law to be enshrined in UK legal system

[The Running Man]

And do you cry as much about the jewish population?

No didn't think so.... So what does that say about views, that you blatantly target a specific religion when other religions are 'afforded' the same 'privilege'

Wow I didn't realise this was a compare between religions. I was asked what exemptions islam gets and I provided the answer. That was what was asked and that is what I answered. Thank you for taking the time.

 

[BuffetSlayer]

My understanding is that it is just a form of arbitration and does not and cannot supercede English common law. It also cannot allow anything agreed in arbitration to be in breach of the law.

 

[Zethor]

My understanding is that it is just a form of arbitration and does not and cannot supercede English common law. It also cannot allow anything agreed in arbitration to be in breach of the law.

Go away with your logic and common sense! The Kingdom's cultural purity is at stake here.

 

[EvilDreams]

What do you people have against cats?

 

[bitslice]

I can't tell if the above is doing that or not. It sure is something.

Magnolia, could you please, please stop posting in debate threads without actually saying anything?

You are really good at idiosyncratic monologues but you don't actually have a single debatable opinion on anything do you?

Now I don't mind the jibes from other posters because for the most part they have actually posted their own opinions and I have to respect them for that, but it does irritate me to see otherwise intelligent posters repeatedly contributing nothing other that "yah boo sucks, look at how cool I am"

 

[The Running Man]

My understanding is that it is just a form ofchallenge the wollion and does not and cannot supercede English common law. It also cannot allow anything agreed in arbitration to be in breach of the law.

While that might be true, it makes it extremely difficult and awkward to challenge the will in what would be a test case rather than a formality?

For example say an Asian girl runs away from an arranged marriage and her family, the new shariah will could be used to cut her out completely for various reasons.

To get her fair share she would have to start a test case to try and get that payment.

How sexually or religious contracts or wills can be drafted up legally in our society is backwards.

 

[BuffetSlayer]

While that might be true, it makes it extremely difficult and awkward to challenge the will in what would be a test case rather than a formality?

For example say an Asian girl runs away from an arranged marriage and her family, the new shariah will could be used to cut her out completely for various reasons.

To get her fair share she would have to start a test case to try and get that payment.

How sexually or religious contracts or wills can be drafted up legally in our society is backwards.

Her fair share of what exactly? Her families estate?

She actually has no legal right to any of the estate unless there is an absence of a valid and legal will, in which case the rules if intestacy would likely apply. If there was a surviving husband/wife of the deceased the daughter would get very little anyway - unless it was a very considerable estate, and she would have to share that with her siblings after the surviving partner took their cut and invested the remaining half of the estate under "life interest" rules.

It is already completely legal to exclude family members from a will for whatever reason you want. You just have to make it specifically clear in the will.

The excluded person can appeal, but it is unlikely they will win unless they can prove they were totally dependent on the deceased prior to their death.

So it is not Sharia allowing the exclusion of the daughter, but English law. As already mentioned, no decisions made in Sharia arbitration will be upheld by the courts unless they are already legal under English common law.

Or at least that is my understanding of it.

 

[Rofflay]

Lets see how Sharia deals with Morsi i read the BBC site earlier and i laughed so damm hard. It will be amazing to see them live and die with sharia being the death blow. After all the policeman's family should get to choose the punishment under sharia? I will not hold my breath on them beheading 500 odd people even if they are Islamist scum.

A court in Egypt has sentenced to death 528 supporters of ousted Islamist President Mohammed Morsi. They were convicted of charges including murdering a policeman and attacks on people and property. The group is among some 1,200 Muslim Brotherhood supporters on trial, including senior members.

They are expected to appeal. The verdict now goes to Egypt's supreme religious authority, the Grand Mufti (a senior Islamic scholar)

 

[Buddy]

Lets see how Sharia deals with Morsi i read the BBC site earlier and i laughed so damm hard. It will be amazing to see them live and die with sharia being the death blow. After all the policeman's family should get to choose the punishment under sharia? I will not hold my breath on them beheading 500 odd people even if they are Islamist scum.

Why is that funny?

Annnyywaaay to all the Muslim bashers here please look up Wahhabism and petro-Islam. Wahhabism does not = Islam and yet it's the actions of these lunatics that are plastered all over media/daily hate.

Read up on how Wahhabism came about and who and why we (the uk and west) still support it and it may just open your eyes a bit.

Regards

 

[TJM]

I can have a Will written that not only excludes my family but leaves everything to my cats. I don't see how this has anything to do with.... well anything?

Muslims are doing it.

Muslins writing wills. In our country.

Just think about how that will affect your children. I'd go as far to say that it would be less cruel to smother them in their sleep than let them live another day in BRITAIN GONE MAD

 

[bitslice]

look souther Spain and compare it to the likes of north Africa, the middle east and Indonesia to realise that in fact architecture is very different.

Already have:

Islamic Architecture:Spain

Islamic Architecture:Sumatra

Islamic Architecture:Cairo

See, all basically the same.
Some are more frilly, some are more ornate, but as an architectural concept - identical.


Most 'Islamic' buildings have actually been influenced by other countries, many are inspired by Roman architecture and the Hagia Sofia is just a copy of Byzantine architecture


The basic design of mosques comes from Zoroastrian fire-temples

Now that I really like
the copies made by later muslims were just naive "Oh we will just repeat the same pattern but make it bigger, because that'll be more impressive"
which isn't how good architecture works. Hence some of the Mosques out there are soulless and ugly.

 

[LOAM]

And classical architecture had its roots in Hellenic and Roman ( which itself was rooted in Hellenic). Hellenic was influenced by ancient Egyptian. Romanesque (Norman) was based on Roman and Byzantine style. And on and on and on, every architectural style "borrowed" bits from others. It wasnt really until the 1920's that you could say it started to change either.

 

[BuffetSlayer]

And classical architecture had its roots in Hellenic and Roman ( which itself was rooted in Hellenic). Hellenic was influenced by ancient Egyptian. Romanesque (Norman) was based on Roman and Byzantine style.

Countries and cultures being influenced by other more ancient countries and cultures shocker!!

 

[LOAM]

Exactly! Thats how it is and how its always been.

 

[Rofflay]

Why is that funny?

Annnyywaaay to all the Muslim bashers here please look up Wahhabism and petro-Islam. Wahhabism does not = Islam and yet it's the actions of these lunatics that are plastered all over media/daily hate.

Read up on how Wahhabism came about and who and why we (the uk and west) still support it and it may just open your eyes a bit.

Regards

Watch Islam and what the west needs to know and tell us the problem is the Wahabbi. What about the Salafists then? The problem is the actions of the main character in thier magical book. They disregard the teachings of every single prophet but him and he was the worst out of the whole lot thats why its the worst out of the 3 religions.


Its not as complicated as people try to make out. Remember that old saying keep your friends close but your enemy closer. Did you know there have been well over 20 major terrorist meetings in central america? Why would people fly from the middle east to america to hold a terrorist convention? Its like a bird landing on a cats shoulder just to take a dump.

 

[bitslice]

lots of pretend butthurt about Jews

I don't frankly care about who has the most misogynistic religion, but if you do then I'll agree that Islam wins hands down.

Let's look at the multicultural enrichment side of this:

Number of Jews in the UK
2001 259,927
2011 263,346

Number of Muslims in the UK
2001 828,000
2011 2,706,066 !!!

The silent Jewish population is stagnant and insignificant, whereas the shouty cantankerous muslim population is spawning faster than a noob playing Doom.

Out of those two groups who do you think is most likely to get up everyone's nose?


Scarlett Johansson?

OR

A few lads having jolly japes around town?

Correct, it's you lot

Even people like me who never see muslims from one year to the next have a reason to find islam flipping irritating because you hand me a plate full of reasons every single week,
followed by a side order of ranting about your rights,
followed by a pudding of permanent outrage.

Even Mother Teresa would stab you all in the face with a spoon because you are so annoying.

Do I need to mention the thread you had closed as well bitslice?

The recent one? That was closed by the OP but the poster was still banned for daring to say anything against Islamists. Normal people have to be really careful what they say on this forum.

is from an extermist few muslims who seem to make the limelight

Duh, we all know this.
Criticism of the religion and culture is still valid.

Seriously, you need to get a life and stop hating so much.

Dude, they only hating here is from you guys. Instead of justifying why your culture doesn't suck or why your religion inherently breeds nutcases, you prefer to personally lay into me?

Read my posts, yes they point out the flaws in Islam and the Islamic culture and yes I will repeat this where I can, but there isn't any hate there.

the mere mention of SHARIA has you lot foaming at the mouth like rabid dogs making it yes, seriously PATHETIC.

Did you not see that video that Rofflay posted earlier, lots and lots of Islamists all chanting for Sharia and death to the kaffir (that's me btw)

NOT A SINGLE MUSLIM WAS THERE TO PROTEST {quelle surprise}

As far as I'm concerned you hold tacit approval for preachers calling for Sharia because you never lift a finger to stop them, yet you are all out on the streets when other (white) groups protest against these nutters.



Where are all the muslim protest groups?
If there are 3 million muslims in the UK and you actually dislike these preachers as much as you say you do... rolleyes
then why haven't a single one of you started a protest group?


That's right, because this fake dislike of Islamists is all BS...



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[Buddy]

Watch Islam and what the west needs to know and tell us the problem is the Wahabbi. What about the Salafists then? The problem is the actions of the main character in thier magical book. They disregard the teachings of every single prophet but him and he was the worst out of the whole lot thats why its the worst out of the 3 religions.


Its not as complicated as people try to make out. Remember that old saying keep your friends close but your enemy closer. Did you know there have been well over 20 major terrorist meetings in central america? Why would people fly from the middle east to america to hold a terrorist convention? Its like a bird landing on a cats shoulder just to take a dump.

No idea what you're saying.
Clearly you didn't look up what I suggested.
If you had you'd realise salafists = wahabis

 

[Rofflay]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement


Salafi are not quite Wahabbi and you dont seem to understand my point.

 

[The Running Man]

Her fair share of what exactly? Her families estate?

She actually has no legal right to any of the estate unless there is an absence of a valid and legal will, in which case the rules if intestacy would likely apply. If there was a surviving husband/wife of the deceased the daughter would get very little anyway - unless it was a very considerable estate, and she would have to share that with her siblings after the surviving partner took their cut and invested the remaining half of the estate under "life interest" rules.

It is already completely legal to exclude family members from a will for whatever reason you want. You just have to make it specifically clear in the will.

The excluded person can appeal, but it is unlikely they will win unless they can prove they were totally dependent on the deceased prior to their death.

So it is not Sharia allowing the exclusion of the daughter, but English law. As already mentioned, no decisions made in Sharia arbitration will be upheld by the courts unless they are already legal under English common law.

Or at least that is my understanding of it.

It is but they state to split wealth as per the verses prescribe which are inherently sexist. The defacto split it provides is the issue I think.

 

[estebanrey]

Where are all the muslim protest groups?
If there are 3 million muslims in the UK and you actually dislike these preachers as much as you say you do... rolleyes
then why haven't a single one of you started a protest group?
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Um....

http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/