Aborted Babies incinerated to heat Hospital!!

Columbo · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:30

Rofflay said:
You need to be a hardcore athiest to put up a good its not a life arguement and im not even a Catholic.

No you don't, you just need to understand the law. Regardless of your personal opinion the law allows abortions upto 24 weeks.

People far more qualified than you or I have decided upon that and given that religion pretty much has no base in law, atheism or any form of 'ism doesn't really apply.

Unicorn · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:31

You do realise once its clinical waste its bagged and shipped to an incinerator or waste to energy facility. Once its left the hospital its never going to touch any more hands again so be it a dead baby or a full person or even garbage in general once its in a waste pit for incineration its all treated the same? The same people who want green energy are also anti abortion eh?

Columbo · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:33

OhEsEcks said:
Because catholics are the only people in the world with morals and sense. Clearly.

Ah I forgot about that bit... thanks for putting me straight.

sbi5ar · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:34

Columbo said:
No you don't, you just need to understand the law. Regardless of your personal opinion the law allows abortions upto 24 weeks.

People far more qualified than you or I have decided upon that and given that religion pretty much has no base in law, atheism or any form of 'ism doesn't really apply.

^ This pretty much... It is moving away from should this sensationalist headline be allowed (instead of a more accurate headline of "Clinical waste incinerated to heat hospitals) and towards the realms of should abortion be allowed up to X weeks.

As said above... people far more qualified have done the research and decided.

Raikiri · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:37

Amnesia said:
Its not like they are burning live babies.

Gas is getting pretty expensive and they are a renewable resource...

sbi5ar · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:38

Raikiri said:
Gas is getting pretty expensive and they are a renewable resource...

I guess it depends on when/if Russia turns off the gas and oil... only a matter of time boys...

OhEsEcks · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:39

Raikiri said:
Gas is getting pretty expensive and they are a renewable resource...

TJM · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:39

OhEsEcks said:
So do they recognise the unborn child as a life then?

Only if it was capable of being born alive at the time it was killed.

sbi5ar said:
As said above... people far more qualified have done the research and decided.

Another sensible approach is about to be sacrificed on the altar of moral panic.

malfunkshun · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:39

really? nice, mis-leading headline.

Edit to clarify my view; I can't see that there would be more heat out than used to actually perform the incineration, so I cannot see how this is done "to heat hospitals".

sbi5ar · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:41

TJM said:
Only if it was capable of being born alive at the time it was killed.

Just out of curiosity... and genuine question... would they have to be born and survive without modern medical interventions?

sbi5ar · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:42

malfunkshun said:
really? nice, mis-leading headline.

Edit to clarify my view; I can't see that there would be more heat out than used to actually perform the incineration, so I cannot see how this is done "to heat hospitals".

Incinerator goes on anyway... They just stick a few water pipes through it and it heats the water to go round the system*

*I think

jellybeard999 · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:43

I don't really see why this is such a big isuse. Modern Crematoria use the energy from the cremators similarly.

Illgresi · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:44

I'd quite happily heat my flat with foetuses if it was cheaper than my gas bill.

malfunkshun · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:45

sbi5ar said:
Incinerator goes on anyway... They just stick a few water pipes through it and it heats the water to go round the system*

*I think

No doubt, my point is that the headline would have you believe that the aborted babies are the fuel, I contend that they are not.

Destination · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:45

Lysander said:
If they're unwanted and it's approved it's just clinical waste.

This is the case, unfortunately or not.
If they were live , or life capable independently, then they wouldn't be aborted in the first place.
You can't give it a proper burial when the rules suggest 'it' wasn't anything to begin with.

Clinical waste is generally incinerated.
Amazing to see so many people appalled, yet would want the abortive option available to them. You can't have one without the other.

sbi5ar · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:46

malfunkshun said:
No doubt, my point is that the headline would have you believe that the aborted babies are the fuel, I contend that they are not.

They are part of the fuel as clinical waste... well... actually... I guess they must be gas powered... So i see what you're getting at (that was my thought process in action, haha)

malfunkshun · 24 Mar 2014 at 20:49

sbi5ar said:
They are part of the fuel as clinical waste... well... actually... I guess they must be gas powered... So i see what you're getting at (that was my thought process in action, haha)

....you have to expend fuel to destroy clinical waste, often more than just what it would take to run a heating system.

grumpysculler · 24 Mar 2014 at 21:03

MrMoonX said:
It's not a life until it can survive outside of the womb, which is past the legal abortion limit

There's currently a baby in my city's main hospital which was born several weeks prior to the legal limit on abortion. It will be a long time until anyone knows for sure, but (according to news reports) the signs are promising.

MrMoonX said:
I don't know criminal law but as far as the children's act, 1989 you can't apply for a care order on an unborn child

But they can be put on the Child Protection Register (and about 1000 are).

postmanfw said:
Anyone bother to google what a 9 week old "fetus" looks like?

Most dads won't need to google. Having seen my children at 8-10 weeks, I struggle to see why anyone would have a so-called "lifestyle" abortion even that late.

Rofflay said:
If you do not want the baby give it up for adoption or something.

mmkay because that's the only reason anyone ever has an abortion.

grumpysculler · 24 Mar 2014 at 21:22

Hikari Kisugi said:
Clinical waste is generally incinerated.
Amazing to see so many people appalled, yet would want the abortive option available to them. You can't have one without the other.

FFS.

Human tissue is not clinical waste as this country defines it. It doesn't matter if it is a kidney or a foetus, it is handled differently.

Abortion doesn't mean "I don't give a damn, just chuck the thing in the bin." Quite often, abortion is a difficult decision and the parents may still mourn.

Current rules REQUIRE that parents be offered a choice. One of those is incineration with other human tissue waste. They have other options such as burial and cremation.

The issue here isn't that foetal remains are incinerated, it is that parents have been denied a choice and that the remains have not been handled as human tissue. It is comparable to the stillborn ashes scandal, I guess.

Full rules here if anyone is interested. Facts may be too much for GD, though.
http://goo.gl/d3RQz7

Lysander · 24 Mar 2014 at 21:31

grumpysculler said:
FFS.

Human tissue is not clinical waste as this country defines it. It doesn't matter if it is a kidney or a foetus, it is handled differently.

Well, you're wrong about that, so that part of your argument kind of falls apart. Also that link you've provided says that incineration for foetal tissue is perfectly fine.

Here you go, have it from the horse's mouth:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1992/588/regulation/1/made

Aborted Babies incinerated to heat Hospital!!

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