Obviously there are loads of mothers that agree as there a plethora of anencephaly survivors out there, maybe you should be so blase about life and quick to kill
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Obviously there are loads of mothers that agree as there a plethora of anencephaly survivors out there, maybe you should be so blase about life and quick to kill
Of the 170,000 babies killed in 2011, i wonder how many where normal? a vast majority i bet. Instead of focusing so verdantly so much on the tiny extreme examples that are in very low percentages. What about all the future doctors, nurses, lawyers, scientists etc etc we just throw into the fire because the woman is vain enough not to want a baby.
Despite what you want to believe, a vast majority of abortions are not because of deformities or rape, the awful truth is most women use abortion as a form of contraception.
I don't want to ban it, i want it to be heavily regulated so that the only time it happens is for extreme health reasons. Anyone who isn't simply shocked at the abortion rate at the moment must be some kind of sociopath
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SOME women may, the vast majority however will resort to termination because their contraception failed and by the time they realise it is too late to use emergency contraception, which is patently not the same as "using it as a form of contraception".
How about you answer my questions, or do you not wish to expose the hypocrisy that only some life is sacred and that you'd hold the interests of a potential individual over those of an actual living person.
why though?
why put someone through that ordeal for something that at this point is still only a few hundred cells and less a "life" than a removed appendix.
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Choice is very important, to deny people the freedom to choose what happens to them in various matters is not something to be revoked lightly.
The more choices you are able to remove with that kind of thinking the less freedom everyone will have. More people will think this way and whats next, banning various things that might not conform to certain ideals?
The further you go along that road the easier it will be for a person like me to remove what freedoms might remain, most importantly association, privacy and free speech.
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Come again?
all life is sacred, unless it has HIV
so rob ok to abort a baby if it's caught HIV from the mother or do you just kill them both?
so rob ok to abort a baby if it's caught HIV from the mother or do you just kill them both?
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At what point is a foetus alive? This is something that is not adequately discussed in my opinion.
If I hit someone round the head (an assault of a degree that would not cause damage), and they fall on the ground and break their skull causing death; I am held liable because there is a chain of causation. My actions caused that result.
In the case of abortion, BUT FOR the acts of the mother/doctor, a foetus will become a child. This is not acceptable in my eyes.
To refute Dowie's earlier point about having a **** causing millions of death, this is not the same. No amount of sperm or eggs on their own is going to result in pregnancy and thus there is no chance of a human being.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that if you engage in sex, then you accept the consequences. I understand fully how the waters are muddied in the case of rape, but the vast majority of abortions are not committed out of rape, and are a whole other argument. (I would like to see if there are any studies which take into account the long term viewpoint of woman who were raped who had an abortion/carried it to term. Any difference in mental health etc?
P.s As the argument regarding defects, I'm sorry, but I'm going to cite Nazi Germany here. You're talking about the same principles. And for the record one of my family was diagnosed before they were born with a severe illness. My mother was put under pressure to abort but resisted. The child is one of the best things to grace most peoples lives, and is free of the illness. (Even if he had the illness it would have been worth it.
If I hit someone round the head (an assault of a degree that would not cause damage), and they fall on the ground and break their skull causing death; I am held liable because there is a chain of causation. My actions caused that result.
In the case of abortion, BUT FOR the acts of the mother/doctor, a foetus will become a child. This is not acceptable in my eyes.
To refute Dowie's earlier point about having a **** causing millions of death, this is not the same. No amount of sperm or eggs on their own is going to result in pregnancy and thus there is no chance of a human being.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that if you engage in sex, then you accept the consequences. I understand fully how the waters are muddied in the case of rape, but the vast majority of abortions are not committed out of rape, and are a whole other argument. (I would like to see if there are any studies which take into account the long term viewpoint of woman who were raped who had an abortion/carried it to term. Any difference in mental health etc?
P.s As the argument regarding defects, I'm sorry, but I'm going to cite Nazi Germany here. You're talking about the same principles. And for the record one of my family was diagnosed before they were born with a severe illness. My mother was put under pressure to abort but resisted. The child is one of the best things to grace most peoples lives, and is free of the illness. (Even if he had the illness it would have been worth it.
I wonder how old that is? Like i said, over the last few years my stance on life and it's importance has changed radically. Lets just say i have the ability to evolve and grow, unlike some here i can mention.
So Tefal, would pro-abortionists press that button? No? Why not? Whats the difference?
it was ten months ago.
No wouldn't press the button as they're alive and functioning human beings that with the correct medication will live long healthy lives.
a small cluster of cells isn't.
why do you think killing an adult because they have a disease is the same as aborting a foetus?
So would you still press the button?
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surely if someone was raped they take the morning after pill
anyway, you are committing murder everytime you have a naughty dream
anyway, you are committing murder everytime you have a naughty dream
not always effective, and also they may not be able to come to terms with it straight away and go and do the rational thing.
depending on how soon it's taken it varies from 95-58%
and in date rape they may not know it happened.
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I'm not sure it's as simple as "ooooh that naughty man slipped me one without asking, best nip down the pharmacy toot sweet and get me the usual".
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So people who are against abortion, you've all fully thought through the consequences of thousands to millions of unwanted children? The strain on society, the general wellbeing of these poor people and you think that’s a better way of living than giving people a choice?
What about medical implications? What if a mother has a high risk of not making it through a pregnancy? Should she accept that she will probably be going to leave her family alone because her and her partner decided to express their love in a physical manner?
It's not just about those poor women who are raped. Women you would gladly force carry a child so she can later give it up to further concrete them in a living hell, probably never to get over it. I'd certainly never wish anyone be raped let alone tare a child from a mother who doesn’t know her arse from her elbow when she’s full of hormones after giving birth to that poor baby. Then what about the child? Do we force that poor thing in to care? A system already under immense stress with other poor kids and carers struggling on a daily basis? What if that women kept her child? Only for that poor child to be thrust in to a world of resentment and abuse?
What about every time you bang one out do you class that as lives lost?
We can forever dream of what could have been for those people but to oppose abortion in a modern society is ridiculous. It’s a necessary part of progression for the world. We live in a difficult world and nothing is black and white, there are pros and cons to everything. However simply saying they should simply accept their fate is a simple minded opinion in my book.****ing fool.
What about medical implications? What if a mother has a high risk of not making it through a pregnancy? Should she accept that she will probably be going to leave her family alone because her and her partner decided to express their love in a physical manner?
It's not just about those poor women who are raped. Women you would gladly force carry a child so she can later give it up to further concrete them in a living hell, probably never to get over it. I'd certainly never wish anyone be raped let alone tare a child from a mother who doesn’t know her arse from her elbow when she’s full of hormones after giving birth to that poor baby. Then what about the child? Do we force that poor thing in to care? A system already under immense stress with other poor kids and carers struggling on a daily basis? What if that women kept her child? Only for that poor child to be thrust in to a world of resentment and abuse?
What about every time you bang one out do you class that as lives lost?
We can forever dream of what could have been for those people but to oppose abortion in a modern society is ridiculous. It’s a necessary part of progression for the world. We live in a difficult world and nothing is black and white, there are pros and cons to everything. However simply saying they should simply accept their fate is a simple minded opinion in my book.****ing fool.
Well said Rogan. The easily said "they can be put up for adoption instead" is a hell of a lot harder to actually implement, we already can't place the children currently waiting for adoption.
This discussion is always fun on international boards, where, sooner or later, you'll get an ultra-conservative American wading in who manages to be pro-life, pro-gun and pro-death penalty all at the same time.
This discussion is always fun on international boards, where, sooner or later, you'll get an ultra-conservative American wading in who manages to be pro-life, pro-gun and pro-death penalty all at the same time.
10 months ago, so not that long.
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the issue is ethical, should they be treated like this? in another note, would you put your loved ones to be burned once they die to heat a similar facility? after all they are waste too, also a hazardous one.
I for one, dont know. I find it harsh to burn unborn babies for energy recovery, it sounds bad and i am not sure its ethical too.
I for one, dont know. I find it harsh to burn unborn babies for energy recovery, it sounds bad and i am not sure its ethical too.
Plenty of people have their loved ones burned after they die. They add a ceremony (religious or otherwise) to the procedure first but the end result is the same. Is the issue that there isn't a ceremony first? Why would you have a ceremony to morn the passing of an organism/potential baby that in a lot of cases you made a conscious choice to kill? I can understand that view in light of a miscarriage or where something has gone very wrong in labour an a termination is deemed medically necessary but not for the average abortion.