I want to live in America

Clipsey said:
Yep, insurance companies run the healthcare system over here as said as it is. But, the hospital, Dr's etc WILL be there for you when you need them, immediately! You are in charge of your own fate so to speak, you seek out the best hospital, Dr you want and then go there. None of the getting referred by your local GP and waiting 6 weeks etc.
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If you have to wait 6 weeks, that will be because there will be 6 week's worth of people who are more needy or equal but in line before you.

The reason you don't have to wait that long in the US isn't because they have some magic system that can process people more quickly, it's because poor people are taken out and your place in the queue is based on what you can afford. You are effectively paying to jump the queue.

Now on a purely selfish regard that may be good if you can afford it, but it's (IMO) a completely immoral and abhorrent system.
 
GTAMADDOG said:
When I was younger I always said when I grew up I'd move to America, but over the years it's all changed and I'd probably move to either Norway, Sweden or Finland given the chance (none at the moment).
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Good luck trying to move to Sweden. Despite being the beacon of socialism and the shining example to Pro-EU lefties, they don't have anywhere near the lax immigration system we do here in the UK.

I moved there in 2003 to be with a girl I was seeing, I was supposed to be there for at least a year. I was told on arrival that I had 3 months to get a job or leave. I, a recent graduate, tried everywhere and no one would even give me an interview. In the end I tried applying to McDonald's and even they wouldn't speak to me on account that I didn't speak Swedish, not even just working at the back flipping burgers. Compare that to here where you'll seldom see a British person in Maccy D's and regularly find people with only a basic level of English are working on the tills.

Unless you can get a job with a Swedish company here and then transfer, there's little chance you'll be able to emigrate there.
 
estebanrey said:
Good luck trying to move to Sweden. Despite being the beacon of socialism and the shining example to Pro-EU lefties, they don't have anywhere near the lax immigration system we do here in the UK.
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Norway and Denmark are the beacons of socialism, not Sweden. Sweden dumped the Nordic model quite a while ago now.
 
Got seconded to Norway for a year and have since decided to stay. Just bought a house in fact so no looking back now! Absolutely great place. I can genuinely say I'm actually impressed at how generally sensible the government is. Even the bankers are sensible! Good health care, good education, free higher education, cheap childcare, ridiculous maternity and paternity, **** all crime, 99% electricity from hydro power. Place seriously has its **** together. Amazing landscape, skiing an hours drive away in winter, fjordy goodness in summer, hot Norwegian girls, relaxed working culture, government enforced work - life balance, king crabs mm mm. Awesome. Downsides are the scary price of alcohol and cars, plus it can be a bit rainy in this particular part.

USA no thanks. Excellent place to visit but way to ****ed up in too many ways for me to want to live and bring up a family there. Canada I would though.
 
Liampope said:
Got seconded to Norway for a year and have since decided to stay. Just bought a house in fact so no looking back now! Absolutely great place. I can genuinely say I'm actually impressed at how generally sensible the government is. Even the bankers are sensible! Good health care, good education, free higher education, cheap childcare, ridiculous maternity and paternity, **** all crime, 99% electricity from hydro power. Place seriously has its **** together. Amazing landscape, skiing an hours drive away in winter, fjordy goodness in summer, hot Norwegian girls, relaxed working culture, government enforced work - life balance, king crabs mm mm. Awesome. Downsides are the scary price of alcohol and cars, plus it can be a bit rainy in this particular part.

USA no thanks. Excellent place to visit but way to ****ed up in too many ways for me to want to live and bring up a family there. Canada I would though.
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Sounds great....sign me up!

What do you do out of interest?
 
estebanrey said:
If you have to wait 6 weeks, that will be because there will be 6 week's worth of people who are more needy or equal but in line before you.

The reason you don't have to wait that long in the US isn't because they have some magic system that can process people more quickly, it's because poor people are taken out and your place in the queue is based on what you can afford. You are effectively paying to jump the queue.

Now on a purely selfish regard that may be good if you can afford it, but it's (IMO) a completely immoral and abhorrent system.
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That is not accurate at all I'm afraid. I can see what you're trying to get at and I am in complete agreement that the US should be able to take care of their own, regardless of income level. This should be the case in all westernized countries, but it's not always the case. Just like in England, you could have to wait TOO long before things get out of hand and out of control. This is coming from lots of experience with family living in the UK and getting absolutely awful treatment with life threatening illnesses.
The States, with a hospital, treats first, then requires payment (insurance, payment schemes or whatever), so no jumping the line, as there is none to begin with.

Hoping to visit Norway next year! Really does look like a great place to live on paper!
 
Wouldn't honestly want to live in America, if I had to it would be either Seattle or Atlanta (north suburbs, quite a few property foreclosure bargains to be had if you have cash). The prospect of these huge FEMA camps scares me, the nation is getting seriously ready for martial law and that should worry any citizen especially what they call "aliens" (immigrants).

I don't want to stay in the UK though. Laws are getting tighter to the point of insanity all the time, and too many people taking the **** and getting away with slapped wrists and hypocrasy in the same situation.

I would like to look into moving to Prague or the outskirts, the Czech Republic looks like an excellent place to live if you can learn the language.
 
Liampope said:
Got seconded to Norway for a year and have since decided to stay. Just bought a house in fact so no looking back now! Absolutely great place. I can genuinely say I'm actually impressed at how generally sensible the government is. Even the bankers are sensible! Good health care, good education, free higher education, cheap childcare, ridiculous maternity and paternity, **** all crime, 99% electricity from hydro power. Place seriously has its **** together. Amazing landscape, skiing an hours drive away in winter, fjordy goodness in summer, hot Norwegian girls, relaxed working culture, government enforced work - life balance, king crabs mm mm. Awesome. Downsides are the scary price of alcohol and cars, plus it can be a bit rainy in this particular part.

USA no thanks. Excellent place to visit but way to ****ed up in too many ways for me to want to live and bring up a family there. Canada I would though.
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He's a product designer, if I have the right person... :p I'll freak him out now...
 
What's freaky is there's apparently another Liampope in Norway - the one you know who's a product designer :). What's the chances of that, eh? I'm an engineer.
 
Just looked up the average price of a pint in Norway, ouch! £6.50 on average but as high as £8 a pint in some cities! Expensive night out :/
 
86JR said:
Wouldn't honestly want to live in America, if I had to it would be either Seattle or Atlanta (north suburbs, quite a few property foreclosure bargains to be had if you have cash).
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Have you ever been to Atlanta? I'm there next month for two weeks with work, not sure what it's like really.

(am aware the chap is suspended, hopefully he'll see this when he's back ;) )
 
Ev0 said:
Have you ever been to Atlanta? I'm there next month for two weeks with work, not sure what it's like really.

(am aware the chap is suspended, hopefully he'll see this when he's back ;) )
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I spent a couple of weeks at GSU there as part of my MBA. I had a great time especially CBs bar on peachtree and the World Bar (and every other bar) at Buckhead.
 
No not really - the natives are just as good at getting bladdered as us brits :). I'm not sure how students afford it to be honest. Then again their degrees are free - so I guess that's how? Also it's a bit more common to drink round peoples' houses then hit town later which makes it cheaper. For us normal working folk, well salaries are higher here, so it's not quite as bad as a simple price comparison suggests. Still sucks though :). There's a pub here that has a beer menu like a phone book with beers from everywhere. I remember when I first arrived being excited to see several local beers so I ordered a Bombardier. They cracked open a can, poured it into a glass and charged me £13 lol :(.
 
LordSplodge said:
I am an 'outdoors' type and I have easy access to lots of varied outdoors type things. :D
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Where do you go skiing? See wild bears? Climb a mountain? Stand in some true wilderness?

All an hour from your house in the UK?

Going for a walk in the peaks isn't really the outdoorsy thing I was thinking of. It sharpens your teeth for proper fun but...
 
Amp34 said:
Where do you go skiing? See wild bears? Climb a mountain? Stand in some true wilderness?

All an hour from your house in the UK?

Going for a walk in the peaks isn't really the outdoorsy thing I was thinking of. It sharpens your teeth for proper fun but...
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I live next to the Peak District. I have some big hills on my doorstep. Snowdonia is toe hours away, so still close, especially compared to the distances people have to drive in the Americas where four hour drives are seen as short.

I could go skiing in Scotland but I'm not a skier. As for bears, well there aren't any but there is plenty of other wildlife to see in the UK.

The UK isn't America and America isn't the UK. Both have different terrain types. I'm just happy with the variety we have in the UK.
 
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