A callous act

The fact you are more concerned about what the 'legal' framework is rather than whats the best route of action for the poor injured creature speaks volumes!!
I really do hope you don't own any pets, I wouldn't let you anywhere near my pets as you sound like you are completely devoid of any empathy or compassion!!

Ohh and where did you study Veterinary medicine?? You seem to be very good being able to diagnose that the Cat had no chance of survival :rolleyes:


The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated.

Mahatma Gandhi
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Right, people are implying that I support the actions of th guy who chucked the cat.
I think I need to specifically rebute that.
I do not in any way support cruelty to animals.

I was asking what the actual guidelines are in such a situation.
Do you move a dying animal or not?
 
I see no problem with getting the cat out of the way so you can unblock the road and get traffic flowing agane, no need blocking traffic just for the sake of it. but he could have done it slightly more delicately than slinging it with its tale. but also he might of done the cat a faver but giving it more injuries so it died sooner dieing in 2 mins rather than 20.

Nothing winds me up over people blocking lanes of traffic over nothing. like queuing for 30mins only to find it was some 10 mph small bump at a junction or something any they could have easy moved everything out of the way instead of blocking everything for hours (****ing motorway wombles)

So yer he did the right thing by moving it, he just moved it in a non careful way that would be classed as insensitive to the majority of the uk population.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Right, people are implying that I support the actions of th guy who chucked the cat.
I think I need to specifically rebute that.
I do not in any way support cruelty to animals.

I was asking what the actual guidelines are in such a situation.
Do you move a dying animal or not?
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Too late bud... your die has been cast by the GD judge and jury and you will forevermore be known as that heartless, cruel, monster of a man who condones heartlessness and sadism.

Sorry :(
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Yes I agree, but are there guidelines regarding clearing the road?
Are you meant to do this yourself, or contact council or police etc.
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I think at the time of the scene the woman had witnessed the cat being hit by a car, then stopped to maybe try and help comfort the cat along with others. Clearing the road is a matter for highways and the waste management departments but at this point, prior to the cat being flung it was alive.

And, like humans, we are encouraged not to move the body of a trauma victim until professional help arrives (if it is, or is not on it's way).

The man in this case was to me clearly callous and totally unsympathetic to the cat, to the people and to life. It isn't a case of call the highways or council to move a cat, that I think is taking the scenario out of context and supplanting a new context to justify act/do/say something relatively inhumane and again, unsympathetic.

That quote is a good reminder to us all. A nation, or a person can indeed be reliably judged by the way in which they treat or regard animals.

Fear can be experience based and sometimes perfectly justified. A act that is clearly callous can to me, never be justified and definately warrants penalty.
 
mrk said:
Well yes and no. The way you’ve worded that post you make it sound so cut and shut when it isn’t. This man got angry at the thought of having to wait in traffic so flung the cat by its tail and it died minutes later. The man has a problem and harming an injured animal in any way like this is a sign of other issues. Certainly it could be said that they need professional help because it could (or already has) lead to harm to actual people.
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Perhaps the man was in a hurry to see his terminally ill wife because the doctors have told him she wont last the night? Afterall, it is a dying cat - not a human (and I am a cat lover before anyone pounces on me!). Sure he could have treated it more gently, but perhaps his mind and his wits were elsewhere?

Of course I am playing devils advocate, but sometimes a persons behaviour can be fueled by all kinds of things we have no idea about.

You know what I mean - everyone hates the idiot tail gating you and flashing their lights to get past on the dual carriageway. I always remember reading an article about a man who's wife had been in an accident and didnt have long left. So he raced across town to get to the hospital - flashing his lights and beeping his horn. People purposely slowed him down because, well, that is what we automatically do to 'morons' isnt it?

He didnt make it in time and she died before he could say goodbye.

However misguided he may have been that day, I dont think there is a person here who would not do the same when it came down to the crunch.

I feel for that guy, and it changed my perspective on the behaviour of strangers. You just dont know if it is completely out of character or if it is driven by desperation.

The guy and the cat is no different.
 
BuffetSlayer said:
Perhaps the man was in a hurry to see his terminally ill wife because the doctors have told him she wont last the night? Afterall, it is a dying cat - not a human (and I am a cat lover before anyone pounces on me!). Sure he could have treated it more gently, but perhaps his mind and his wits were elsewhere?

Of course I am playing devils advocate, but sometimes a persons behaviour can be fueled by all kinds of things we have no idea about.

You know what I mean - everyone hates the idiot tail gating you and flashing their lights to get past on the dual carriageway. I always remember reading an article about a man who's wife had been in an accident and didnt have long left. So he raced across town to get to the hospital - flashing his lights and beeping his horn. People purposely slowed him down because, well, that is what we automatically do to 'morons' isnt it?

He didnt make it in time and she died before he could say goodbye.

However misguided he may have been that day, I dont think there is a person here who would not do the same when it came down to the crunch.

I feel for that guy, and it changed my perspective on the behaviour of strangers. You just dont know if it is completely out of character or if it is driven by desperation.

The guy and the cat is no different.
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I think the guy went beyond the line in a very black and white way. I don't see anywhere in the piece that stated he came along and deliberated as to whether or not the gathering of people by the cat was worth respecting, and they in turn perhaps worthy of consideration. I didn't see a mention of any mitigating circumstance in his defence whatsoever and I would definately argue that picking even such an extremity of emotionally charged path clearing perhaps like that of rushing to a hospital nearby to see one's beloved ebbing away from this life in intensive care unit.

The man came into the situation and at whatever cost to the others including the cat already in difficulties, he acted in a manner well outside what I'm sure most every day people would consider thoughtful. There is a definate type here, a definate attitude of almost total anti value which surpasses notions of humanity.

What they witnessed I suspect was a monster in action. A short hard look at the ways and means of what a social bully looks like. Forgive me but I see no excuse for the way he appears to have acted.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
What should someone have done in this situation?
Watched the cat for the two minutes until it died, then threw it to the side of the road?

The cat was clearly going to do from its headwound injury. I just ponder what the best action to do, when the situation is hopeless, I guess you do just stroke the poor thing until it dies.
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There are a couple of things that can be done.

First is to ascertain the animal is fatally wounded. This is best done by a vet. However if you are certain of an immanent eath then you can comfort the animal until it passes (which is often best done by leaving it alone). If it is in obvious extreme pain then it would be ok to humanely kill it (crush skull completely with brick, spade etc) but see the first point, that us a big step to take. If the animal is really causing a major obstruction then it is acceptable to carefully move the animal into a dark safe place, or preferably Into to a box to take to the vet is even better (it might due on route but it will be more comforted in box than sours dead by people).

Throwing an injured cat by the tail is the absolute last thing anyone should do. The Thug should be behind bars for a while to let him think about his actions (and he should by examined by a mental health expert). As others have said, absolute non-empathy for animals well being is commonly a precursor to murder, rape and torture and is a strong indicator of underlying psychopathic disorders. This time it is a cat, next time it *might* be a human, it is well documented and often used by crime investigators to find suspects. It is like people looking at child porn, mostly they are content with illegal vids but some psychopaths will take it a step further.
 
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