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AMD's Matt Skynner Talks New Crytek Partnership, Mantle's 'Beacon Of Leadership'

Martini1991 said:
Well DX12 should take more time than mantle, given the obvious higher rate of compatibility.

Like I say, I don't really believe Nvidia's 4 years claim at all, nor do I think MS care at all about PC gamers (Or any of their markets really, they've shown disregard at every turn)

I just find the conspiracy theory stuff a little tasteless :p
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The way I see it, the whole dx12 hype is both M$ and Nvidia's attempts to stale for time and stop people from from jumping on the AMD's free features wagon, and to try to pitch over to throw money at them for their features in the future instead. The funny thing is both dx12 and Gsync are going to cost people one way or the other (new windows, new monitor), whereas Mantle and Freesync wouldn't cost people extra money (people pay for the "graphic card", so Mantle and Freesync would essentially be free), yet we got people "screaming kill them with fire" (yea, those don't have the compatible hardware :p)
 
Marine-RX179 said:
The way I see it, the whole dx12 hype is both M$ and Nvidia's attempts to stale for time and stop people from from jumping on the AMD wagon, and to try to pitch over to throw money at them in the future instead. The funny thing both dx12 and Gsync are going to cost people one way or the other (new windows, new monitor), whereas Mantle and Freesync wouldn't cost people extra money (people pay for the "graphic card", so Mantle and Freesync would essentially be free), yet we got people "screaming kill them with fire" (yea, those don't have the compatible hardware :p)
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Still need to buy a new monitor for free sync :p (Unless you've got an awesome laptop with input)

I'd be surprised if DX12 required a new Windows (It's typical Microsoft style, but they need it to be Windows 8 and 7) or they're shooting themselves in the foot.

Mantle is very good from what I've used of it with BF4 and Thief, but there's no chance it's becoming a standard.

I don't buy DirectX12 to combat the PS4, the Xbox one has a rather large deficit in terms of hardware, API's aren't going to change that, just let them get more out of their current nerfed console. DX12 may very well help the Xbox one, well, it will, but it's not going to change the tide.
 
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Mantle has been in development for 2.5 years? (read that earlier)

nVidia have been working with Microsoft on DX12 for the last 4 years

DX12 is only here because of Mantle... I am no mathematician but even I can work that out :D

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There is no way MS would have released a half decent API if it wasn't for Mantle.

They have had more than 10 years to do that, suddenly they are? and it just so happens that now for the first time in all that time someone else has a much better API?

No.... its just a coincidence, he said he didn't do it, i believe him. Chocolate chops and biscuit jar in hand.
 
Gregster said:
Mantle has been in development for 2.5 years? (read that earlier)

nVidia have been working with Microsoft on DX12 for the last 4 years

DX12 is only here because of Mantle... I am no mathematician but even I can work that out :D

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Don't bring logic into this thread, Mr Greg, heard about people like you :D
 
Gregster said:
Mantle has been in development for 2.5 years? (read that earlier)

nVidia have been working with Microsoft on DX12 for the last 4 years

DX12 is only here because of Mantle... I am no mathematician but even I can work that out :D

Next.
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Yes yes...because Nvidia and M$ "says so" right?

Need I remind you telling what the audiences/customers wants to heard= marketing/PR?

Fact is that Mantle is here now, and dx12 won't be out for another...18-24 months? With the combined strength of Nvidia and M$, I sure hope that dx12 would be FAR more impressive than Mantle with it being...you know...taking 3.5 more years to develope.

And again, it's not like AMD owner won't be able to use dx12 on the newer dx11 cards.
 
"And its taking the giant Software developer Microsoft 6 years to do what little old Hardware developer AMD did in 2. ;)" ^^^^^

Martini1991 said:
DX11 was all the rage when that launched, that was only 4-5 years ago :p
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Yeah, we didn't know any better back then, now that Mantle is here suddenly DX11 is exposed for what it is.

Crap! :p

To be Fair, Devs have been crying out for something like Mantle before and after DX11.
 
Gregster said:
Mantle has been in development for 2.5 years? (read that earlier)

nVidia have been working with Microsoft on DX12 for the last 4 years

DX12 is only here because of Mantle... I am no mathematician but even I can work that out :D

Next.
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I think you meant to say that Nvidia and Microsoft claim thats how long it's been in development. I don't believe them and i think it's all a smoke screen to make you think they have been working on dx12 for the past 4 years and Mantle has nothing to do with why they all off a sudden announced dx12. Honestly Greg Microsoft always had your pc gaming back covered. They love PC gaming and have been supporting it well from the very start. DX12 was always coming even before Mantle was even thought of. It's all to good to be true and i am wondering why there was not even a sniff of this over the last few years or is it just a coincidence that along comes Mantle and next minute everyone is going low level programing and Microsoft started on this path 4 years ago. You gotta applaud Microsoft Spin Docter's.
 
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DX11 may not be crap, it might just not be very efficient to meet the demands as the market has evolved (Part of me feels this is because of the almost stagnation we've had in the CPU area performance wise)

But it definitely needs a succesor.

The thing is, Mantle isn't currently ready, even though it's out and about, it's working far from flawlessly (Despite being flawless for myself), by the time Mantle's fully out and ready, how close will DX12 be (While having much better compatibility for hardware, which obviously takes longer)
 
Marine-RX179 said:
Yes yes...because Nvidia and M$ "says so" right?

Need I remind you telling what the audience wants to heard= marketing plus PR?

Fact is that Mantle is here now, and dx12 won't be out for another...18-24 months? With the combined strength of Nvidia and M$, I sure hope that dx12 would be FAR more impressive than Mantle with it being...you know...taking 3.5 more years to develope.

And again, it's not like AMD owner won't be able to use dx12 on the newer dx11 cards.
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I never made any mention that DX12 wouldn't work on AMD, so not sure where that comes from (If it was aimed at me) and the fact that AMD have a 18-24 month start is fantastic but you seem to be defending something that no one has questioned.

As for PR, you will not get better than nVidia. Their marketing department should be on mega money, as they know how to make a sale :D
 
Amidst all this DX12 noise Developers are still endorsing Mantle, its even finding new ones while its all going on.

Have any of them endorsed, or even said anything about DX12?
 
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