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Your special hey?
Poll: Nick Clegg vs Nigel Farage - EU Debate
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Your special hey?
Nope, I know for a fact I'm one of those people
Hence why I feel I have such an insight. I must amend my post however as it didn't correctly portray my stance I feel that long term unemployed people shouldn't have a choice in what they do as long as it meets the legal minimum wage and not like magazine distribution which is usually on commission etc.
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Nope, I know for a fact I'm one of those people
What people?
See my edit.
Society has changed, I'm against saying that unemployed choose to be unemployed because I know far better than that, and I myself personally will not stack shelves or serve people at a counter but that's down to my personality and a diagnosis of mine. I have all my life wanted to work and still do there is nothing better than completing something to get a sense of self achievement.
These days however people feel jobs are below them and that they shouldn't have to take these jobs, one good thing this debate touched on that in some countries the minimum wage is much less but also things are so much cheaper and therefore people will come and work low end jobs.
It comes down to that British people feel that they have a right to turn their nose up at jobs, which they don't. We are very lucky we have a benefits system that people can rely on, it's one great thing in this country. But I'm all for immigrants coming into this country to work legally and pay their tax. Anyway I'm rambling so I'll stfu
I completely agree with the border controls and self governance (although it wont change much on the latter if Cleggs figures are correct)
We will not save money in my opinion however, we will loose the right to free trade and that will cost us more in the long run than anything, the figure I've been told of 10% of our economy comes from EU may well be correct but that is a large amount, I also like what Clegg touched on too what happens to the 1.5 million people that are in other EU countries?
I support a Scottish only ran referendum on their independence, it is their decision as it affects their people more than us, much as I support a EU referendum, but if ever I think it should be held after the Scottish.
I agree. It's been an endless distraction which has eroded what little power and influence we once had on the continent (and globally). We need to bed that distraction once and for all and the only coherent and definitive way is via a referendum. Otherwise we're simply kicking this toxic ball again and again into the long grass.
More competition, and competition which you can not always compete at.
I am quite sure its been mentioned many times before. Minimum wage does not always equate to a living wage, especially when part time and then child care costs etc are factored in.
I am not saying any mass immigration is a good thing. UKIP have it right with work permits being issued for skilled jobs we require. Not uncontrolled mass immigration.
Mine is from personal experience of being in the building trade.
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Sorry I may have misunderstood your previous post that you wouldn't do shelf stacking ( got the impression it was beneath you)
Anyway agreed a job is a job you don't need to stay in it forever.
Some people will yes, the majority of our benefit claimants are willing to work I understand that however you can't with a straight face tell me that people out there aren't choosey with jobs. I guarantee most people on here claim child benefit etc. whilst working, we have single parents on here who I'm sure claim a council tax 25% discount etc. I also am passionate about legislation limiting the amount of occupants to a household with no more than 2:1 bedroom.
And immigrants will live up to 3 or 4 in a studio flat, claim single rate occupier council tax, apply for a national insurance number while claiming benefits and working!
Oh wait, that was just my downstairs Czech neighbors
(Truth)Thank *** I moved out
I think the outcome in polls is an interesting one. Two micky mouse politicians debate:
- One has self imposed Eton boy vibe about him and a manner of someone begging for secure future in House Of Lords. He's polite and careful not to upset anyone with words, has facts behind him and experience to prop whatever he says. He's prepared, he's articulate but as a politician he's already burnt. He's done. He's the flag carrier for establishment. He's a patsy.
- The other one is nouveau riche demagog philosopher with a charm of simpleton unionist calling masses to barricades in small port town pubs. He's literally fed by the machine he's trying to destroy, countless times tried to do serious damage to Britain by blindly voting against anything and everything in Brussels, blindly argues for separatism in 21st century and believes the doors to the island should have shut right after his wife passed through them. His views and ideas are about half a century out of fashion, harbours terrible habit of making stuff up and skipping through headlines to create his own half truths and generally believes any lie is justified if it gains him populist fame and gets him closer to the target. He proceeds to lie through his teeth all hour long, has every single argument destroyed by his opponent and doesn't even manage to come out of the debate without branding himself as a little englander and homophobe.
And polls say - Nigel won the argument. Between a screwup and a fascist, it still goes to fascist.
Now, that **** is something for sociology classes to ponder about.
- One has self imposed Eton boy vibe about him and a manner of someone begging for secure future in House Of Lords. He's polite and careful not to upset anyone with words, has facts behind him and experience to prop whatever he says. He's prepared, he's articulate but as a politician he's already burnt. He's done. He's the flag carrier for establishment. He's a patsy.
- The other one is nouveau riche demagog philosopher with a charm of simpleton unionist calling masses to barricades in small port town pubs. He's literally fed by the machine he's trying to destroy, countless times tried to do serious damage to Britain by blindly voting against anything and everything in Brussels, blindly argues for separatism in 21st century and believes the doors to the island should have shut right after his wife passed through them. His views and ideas are about half a century out of fashion, harbours terrible habit of making stuff up and skipping through headlines to create his own half truths and generally believes any lie is justified if it gains him populist fame and gets him closer to the target. He proceeds to lie through his teeth all hour long, has every single argument destroyed by his opponent and doesn't even manage to come out of the debate without branding himself as a little englander and homophobe.
And polls say - Nigel won the argument. Between a screwup and a fascist, it still goes to fascist.
Now, that **** is something for sociology classes to ponder about.
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Those highly skilled people in cushy office jobs who benefit from the EU massively through the free movement of people are the powerhouse of the economy.
That's the thing about having a high value skills based economy like we do, the majority of our wealth can't be replaced by minimum wage immigrant workers. In fact we rely on foreign labour do all the R&D, Finance and other big skills industries that our economy relies on.
I know a couple of plumbers and TBH they're doing pretty well for themselves. The bit about seeing highly skilled workers being replaced by migrants is just ridiculous.
See my edit on the other post
Trust me, I would much rather stack shelves than live from bill to bill, I don't exactly come from a privileged home and I've had far from an easy life. I am only a student and I do live in a commuter town so it isn't an easy town to get a job in.
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I don't see anyone playing the racist card here.
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House next door to local chips shop had 7 mattress on the floor of one of the down stairs rooms I happened to notice when the curtain was ajar. That is no way for anyone to live. But it how they live to cope with the poor salaries but can you imagine bringing a family up like that Socials services would be all over you like a rash.
Exactly, it's not the immigrants fault even but it's christmas 24/7 for big business.
Ukip started as anti europe and has ended up with racists etc so there is no chance of them getting in anyway.
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