Poll: Nick Clegg vs Nigel Farage - EU Debate

[estebanrey]

But getting less preferable trade deals means that we add cost. Having one set of rules even if they are complex does save us money.

By 'us' you mean big corporations. The problem is that fine if you believe in the "trickle down" principle but personally I don't.

 

[greywolf]

When you compare us to the Chinese or much of the indian subcontinent, we aren't as entrepreneurial as they are.

Say even if we aren't, should still prioritise and put British first and give the chances to be entrepreneurial. Having more migrants just makes this task to be entrepreneurial even more difficult. Its a sad case when people say they would be worse off if left benefits and couldn't support their families. Again, wages driven down by lower end workers from poorer counties.

And when would that be?

This would be back before the EU was changed from a stealth trade agreement to free movent of people.

Or perhaps it just adds competition that UK consumers want?

However many UK consumers, especially those of the lower skilled jobs will have less money anyway due to getting lower wages, with the race to the bottom created by an influx of labour from poorer countries.

 

[MrBlobby]

There is a YouGov/Sun instant reaction poll of people who watched the debate (weighting to be a representative sample in terms of party support and attitudes to EU membership). Result was a pretty comfortable win for Farage: 57% think Farage did better, 36% think Clegg did better

 

[thep02]

I want to be in the EU but wouldn't wet clegg if he was on fire.

 

[C64]

It's scary that we actually have so many people that want to be in europe.
I'd imagine most of those people are in cushy well paid office jobs.

Soon change your tunes when you are replaced by minimum wage immigrant workers.
We will see more and more skilled jobs dragged down to minimum wage and bad conditions just look at whats happened in the building sector you got plumbers that cant get a living wage because immigrant plumbers will do it for £50 a day.

 

[Hyburnate]

S44 as it stood previously wasn't really used that much outside of London and very few of the officers I know have used much of the terrorism legislation at all. That said, knowing what power the Terrorism Act gives to police, it does scare me sometimes. I think the ECHR intervention has lead to better legislation domestically.

Glad we see eye to eye I know there were a few here and it seems that there were 14 stop and searches under s44 in June 2010 from Hampshire Constabulary. But yes, it still needs a look at, I am completely for s23 etc but S47 (or w/e it is now) is still too far.

 

[badcompany]

watch the the spin from this in the next few weeks the knives will be out for Nigel.

 

[badcompany]

I'm not saying that we necessarily will, that isn't known, but our bargaining position is weaker and even small differences can have huge impacts on our economy.

pure speculation, scaremongering really.

 

[badcompany]

One thing I saw,

That's quite some spin you put on it. LOL

 

[Hyburnate]

Can someone who thinks we should leave the EU summarise why?

 

[AndyCroft1982]

There is more than enough retail locations for people to do this if they want to. They don't though. They don't because our lower skilled population isn't as entrepreneurial as a culture as many others. You're saying that if migrants weren't here then British people would all be going out there and making businesses. That's a total fallacy.

Lol how ever did Britain survive centuries before the influx on cheap unskilled economic migrants from east europe ????

 

[darkgen]

What utter rubbish, you don't call this a totalitarianism state, when we don't have a referendum fir every law change of government session. so calling one on that is utterly retarded.

Hmm ok. I wasn't inferring that we would live in a totalitarianism state based upon whether any particular referendum existed or not. I was hinting that may be the only viable course to allow for this utopian constitution to be created, as our existing framework for representation is “rubbish".

Surely another thread.

 

[badcompany]

Can someone who thinks we should leave the EU summarise why?

Self governance.
border controls.
Save money.

They seem to be the key points, but you already know this don't you so stop baiting people and take the result on the chin.

 

[badcompany]

how many people here support Scottish independence but don't support leaving the EU?

 

[Burnsy2023]

Having more migrants just makes this task to be entrepreneurial even more difficult.

How?

Its a sad case when people say they would be worse off if left benefits and couldn't support their families. Again, wages driven down by lower end workers from poorer counties.

I'm not sure if there is any evidence for this. We have a minimum wage for that reason.

This would be back before the EU was changed from a stealth trade agreement to free movent of people.

So the mass immigration we had within the commonwealth was 'better'?

However many UK consumers, especially those of the lower skilled jobs will have less money anyway due to getting lower wages, with the race to the bottom created by an influx of labour from poorer countries.

Again, I'd need to see evidence that this is actually the case, as I have reservations.

 

[Westyfield2]

That YouGov poll was pretty clear. 57% Farage, 37% Clegg. Ouch!

 

[Neil79]

Poor cleggy got dominated!

Well I'm out, I have my reasons through personal experience anyway.

 

[darkgen]

how many people here support Scottish independence but don't support leaving the EU?

Support the _right_ to vote on independence.

 

[Hyburnate]

Lol how ever did Britain survive centuries before the influx on cheap unskilled economic migrants from east europe ????

Society has changed, I'm against saying that unemployed choose to be unemployed because I know far better than that, and I myself personally will not stack shelves or serve people at a counter but that's down to my personality and a diagnosis of mine. I have all my life wanted to work and still do there is nothing better than completing something to get a sense of self achievement.
These days however people feel jobs are below them and that they shouldn't have to take these jobs, one good thing this debate touched on that in some countries the minimum wage is much less but also things are so much cheaper and therefore people will come and work low end jobs.

It comes down to that British people feel that they have a right to turn their nose up at jobs, which they don't. We are very lucky we have a benefits system that people can rely on, it's one great thing in this country. But I'm all for immigrants coming into this country to work legally and pay their tax. Anyway I'm rambling so I'll stfu

Self governance.
border controls.
Save money.

They seem to be the key points, but you already know this don't you so stop baiting people and take the result on the chin.

I completely agree with the border controls and self governance (although it wont change much on the latter if Cleggs figures are correct)
We will not save money in my opinion however, we will loose the right to free trade and that will cost us more in the long run than anything, the figure I've been told of 10% of our economy comes from EU may well be correct but that is a large amount, I also like what Clegg touched on too what happens to the 1.5 million people that are in other EU countries?

how many people here support Scottish independence but don't support leaving the EU?

I support a Scottish only ran referendum on their independence, it is their decision as it affects their people more than us, much as I support a EU referendum, but if ever I think it should be held after the Scottish.

 

[badcompany]

How?



I'm not sure if there is any evidence for this. We have a minimum wage for that reason.



So the mass immigration we had within the commonwealth was 'better'?



Again, I'd need to see evidence that this is actually the case, as I have reservations.

Immigration, immigrations there is more to this than immigration but then again its the easiest argument to use the racist card isn't it.