Aventador crash in London

Jono8 · 1 Apr 2014 at 13:43

What if he was going so fast that the Mazda driver could not have reasonably seen him coming (or even seen him at all at the angle he was pulling out at)? Was the Mazda driver supposed to just sit there for the rest of time, in case a maniac in a supercar came flying up the road?

From the angle of the footage you can't really see enough to tell who is truly 100% at fault. From the footage I would say they are both as bad as each other

Haggisman · 1 Apr 2014 at 13:47

Jono8 said:
What if he was going so fast that the Mazda driver could not have reasonably seen him coming (or even seen him at all at the angle he was pulling out at)? Was the Mazda driver supposed to just sit there for the rest of time, in case a maniac in a supercar came flying up the road?

From the angle of the footage you can't really see enough to tell who is truly 100% at fault. From the footage I would say they are both as bad as each other

He certainly would have heard him!

Jono8 · 1 Apr 2014 at 13:49

Haggisman said:
He certainly would have heard him!

True!

You can't say for sure but judging from the video the Lambo was clearly giving it some. That thing could probably come to a stop from 30mph in hardly any time/distance at all.

Gilly · 1 Apr 2014 at 13:51

Jono8 said:
What if he was going so fast that the Mazda driver could not have reasonably seen him coming (or even seen him at all at the angle he was pulling out at)? Was the Mazda driver supposed to just sit there for the rest of time, in case a maniac in a supercar came flying up the road?

From the angle of the footage you can't really see enough to tell who is truly 100% at fault. From the footage I would say they are both as bad as each other

What if it was a setup and the Mazda and the guy recording it was trying to get some compensation for someone driving into them?

What ifs don't get us anywhere.

Jono8 said:
True!

You can't say for sure but judging from the video the Lambo was clearly giving it some. That thing could probably come to a stop from 30mph in hardly any time/distance at all.

Absolute rubbish. The reason I said 'little to no evidence' that he was going too fast is that not only did he stop very quickly post-impact but you can tell from the noise of the car that he wasn't hammering it.

If he was the mic on the video capture device would've been distorting the sound almost completely. They're insanely noisy.

Jono8 · 1 Apr 2014 at 13:57

Gilly said:
What if it was a setup and the Mazda and the guy recording it was trying to get some compensation for someone driving into them?

What ifs don't get us anywhere.

Absolute rubbish. The reason I said 'little to no evidence' that he was going too fast is that not only did he stop very quickly post-impact but you can tell from the noise of the car that he wasn't hammering it.

If he was the mic on the video capture device would've been distorting the sound almost completely. They're insanely noisy.

Until we can see the Mazda's view on to the road and know how fast that Lambo was going further up the road, I don't see how you can really pass judgement on it...

Haggisman · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:07

Jono8 said:
Until we can see the Mazda's view on to the road and know how fast that Lambo was going further up the road, I don't see how you can really pass judgement on it...

Surely it's pretty simple. Either he had a clear view of the road and should have seen the lambo coming, or he didn't and shouldn't have pulled straight out.

He doesn't come out particularly slowly, he doesn't "peep and creep" as you're taught to do when visibility is obscured, he just pulls straight out, so he either didn't look, or did what most arrogant drivers do and force themselves onto the road thinking "**** it, he'll stop for me"

opstrat · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:07

now obviously the shape of car is a big factor in this comment but the lambo did have 3 wheels off the ground. would speed have anything to do with that or would it have done that purely on the angle of impact?

Jono8 · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:15

Gilly said:
Absolute rubbish. The reason I said 'little to no evidence' that he was going too fast is that not only did he stop very quickly post-impact but you can tell from the noise of the car that he wasn't hammering it.

If he was the mic on the video capture device would've been distorting the sound almost completely. They're insanely noisy.

Also, I am going to go all in and assume the lambo has a gearbox......Therefore I don't see how the noise of the engine can be conclusive in judging what speed it was going.

Fireskull · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:17

opstrat said:
now obviously the shape of car is a big factor in this comment but the lambo did have 3 wheels off the ground. would speed have anything to do with that or would it have done that purely on the angle of impact?

Angle of impact and stiff suspension/chassis, looks like he just rolled up the front wheel of the other car.

Ryan-3 · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:18

Actually had an identical car almost do that to me yesterday, MI5/NSA conspiracy ahead?

I wasn't in a Lambo though.

Jokester · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:20

It's a low speed impact, it's the stiffness of the chassis and suspension that makes it lift off the ground.

I'm also worried that there seems to be a large number of people who think this is anything but the other drivers fault. They just pulled straight out.

Aeleys · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:22

p1RATE said:
some idiot pulls infront of the guy so he is a tool now? or is he a tool because he drives a lambo??

If he was going the speed limit he would have had years of time to stop which would have made the Mazda driver an idiot but he wasn't and the only reason he was doing that was to impress and it failed maybe he will learn a lesson :cool:

Just going by the footage, none of us were there so who cares I just found it funny that he got the opposite of what he wanted is all

Vita · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:22

Misjudged the oncoming car. Them lambo's are very stiff..giggity.

Gilly · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:23

Jono8 said:
True!

You can't say for sure but judging from the video the Lambo was clearly giving it some. That thing could probably come to a stop from 30mph in hardly any time/distance at all.

Jono8 said:
Until we can see the Mazda's view on to the road and know how fast that Lambo was going further up the road, I don't see how you can really pass judgement on it...

Jono8 said:
Also, I am going to go all in and assume the lambo has a gearbox......Therefore I don't see how the noise of the engine can be conclusive in judging what speed it was going.

So where exactly does your assertion that he was "clearly giving it some" come from then? If I am unable to pass judgement on the Lambo not being at fault, why are you able to judge from the video (as you clearly did, when you stated "judging from the video...")?

You have arrived at the Lambo driver being guilty for no reason other than you think he should be. Everything you have done you have told me not to do purely because I disagree with you.

Jonnycoupe · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:25

Jono8 said:
What if he was going so fast that the Mazda driver could not have reasonably seen him coming (or even seen him at all at the angle he was pulling out at)? Was the Mazda driver supposed to just sit there for the rest of time, in case a maniac in a supercar came flying up the road?

From the angle of the footage you can't really see enough to tell who is truly 100% at fault. From the footage I would say they are both as bad as each other

The 'What if' is somewhat negated by the speed the car managed to stop (including a period of only 2 wheels on the ground). .

Jono8 · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:28

Gilly said:
So where exactly does your assertion that he was "clearly giving it some" come from then? If I am unable to pass judgement on the Lambo not being at fault, why are you able to judge from the video (as you clearly did, when you stated "judging from the video...")?

You have arrived at the Lambo driver being guilty for no reason other than you think he should be. Everything you have done you have told me not to do purely because I disagree with you.

I will retract that statement as I have now decided that it is too difficult to judge the speed of the Lambo (or at least the speed it was doing further up the road when the Mazda started it's manoeuvre). On first viewing however it looked to me as though the Lambo was going too fast.

As the video only shows pretty much the point of impact and at one angle you simply can't see who is at fault.

Jonnycoupe · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:28

opstrat said:
now obviously the shape of car is a big factor in this comment but the lambo did have 3 wheels off the ground. would speed have anything to do with that or would it have done that purely on the angle of impact?

The bumper deformed / crumpled and exposes the wheel to allow it to ride up/climb the side of the BMW and hence lift the car. Wide tyres relative to the body probably means they are on the very limit of legal forward 30degree wheel/tyre coverage with ?carbon bumper? Being relatively brittle. With the engine being in the back if any car is going to lift like that its an Aventador.

Jono8 · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:29

Jonnycoupe said:
The 'What if' is somewhat negates by the speed the car managed to stop (including a period of only 2 wheels on the ground)

How do you know the Lambo wasn't going 80mph further up the road when the Mazda pulled out (thinking nothing was coming from what he could reasonably see) and that the Lambo hadn't already braked a fair bit by the time the impact occurred?

Gilly · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:33

Jono8 said:
I will retract that statement as I have now decided that it is too difficult to judge the speed of the Lambo (or at least the speed it was doing further up the road when the Mazda started it's manoeuvre). On first viewing however it looked to me as though the Lambo was going too fast.

As the video only shows pretty much the point of impact and at one angle you simply can't see who is at fault.

It's good to see that despite jumping to conclusions you can at least admit you are wrong about something

As I understand it (and I too am happy to be proven wrong here) that even if the Lambo was speeding the Mazda would still have been at fault.

Given the short distance the Lambo stopped after the collision, even if it was speeding it wasn't going much over the limit.

Jono8 said:
How do you know the Lambo wasn't going 80mph further up the road when the Mazda pulled out (thinking nothing was coming from what he could reasonably see) and that the Lambo hadn't already braked a fair bit by the time the impact occurred?

You can tell from the engine note that the car was not decelerating.

Jonnycoupe · 1 Apr 2014 at 14:35

Jono8 said:
How do you know the Lambo wasn't going 80mph further up the road when the Mazda pulled out (thinking nothing was coming from what he could reasonably see) and that the Lambo hadn't already braked a fair bit by the time the impact occurred?

The noise does not support that claim that such a speed was obtain unless you are suggesting he was coating through London at 80mph?

The lack of brake lights does not support that claim based on the resulting visible stopping event.

The limited movement or atleast body movement on a relatively softly sprung Mazda struck at a sideways angle does not support that claim.

The onus of proof is on those who are suggesting speed was the primary factor - In this case you.