whats the deal with this boycott firefox over the CEO gay rights stance

Thompson_NCL said:
Do they care, or is this just a media storm kicked up by the usual lobby groups?
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People care because they don't have to do anything, they get to feel better about themselves without actually having to do anything, as has been pointed out before you won't see the same people calling for a Firefox boycott calling for a Javascript boycott, even though in the long run that would probably be a good thing.

OhEsEcks said:
How is being motivated by homophobia not homophobia?
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It is but that isn't what he said, he said that it often is the motivation but not the only one.
 
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I don't use Firefox but this wouldn't stop me if I wanted to. The FF CEO is entitled to his opinion as much as the guy from OKCupid is entitled to his.
 
I think Mozilla handled this badly and Eich's personal opinion and political views are not something which his ability as a CEO should be judged upon. This is a typical case of "you're entitled to your opinion, provided its the same as mine" thing. If anything its pushed me towards Chrome/Chromium some more tbh because this was mob mentality at its worst, fueled by Mozilla and OkCupid. To be honest I didn't expect anything else from OkCupid, they strike me as idiots anyhow, you just have to look at how they conduct themselves (filters, hot/not-hot ...).
 
why is it people constantly ignore he didn't just have an opinion but actively gave money to a law that made people's lives worse?

i'll say it again, it was just an opinion, it was the act of giving money that people didn't like, but they allowed it for 6 years. only until he became CEO of mozilla was it an issue. why is this so hard to understand? people think of mozilla as a forward thinking open liberal company, which hired a (potentially) backwards thinking peson that donates to causes which cause distress, destroy families and discriminate.

people also forget this is about stuff that happened in the usa.
 
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tbyeah said:
Two gay men are happily married, and they've adopted a child. A bill outlawing the marriage is passed, and the family is torn apart.
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When prop 8 was passed the couples that were married remained married, meaning no family was torn apart. Also not sure why not being married would tear apart an obviously happy family.
 
Tombo said:
When prop 8 was passed the couples that were married remained married, meaning no family was torn apart. Also not sure why not being married would tear apart an obviously happy family.
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they remained married but it wasn't recognised. this is a fact as my grandma was married in california for those 2 weeks they could get married. when prop8 came into effect they lost any right marriage gave and were torn apart as my grandma didn't have a green card and wasn't able to get one. she was kicked out of the country for 6 months at a time and was only allowed back for 6 months, thats assuming they let her back.

they are just one of many families prop8 had massive effects on. this is something Eich gave money towards. people then judge the those who say whilst this guy is the head of mozilla i wont be using their poducts unless he has since changed his mind. this is all they're asking and they're the bad guys...?
 
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Fairly sure the answer is no said:
they remained married but it wasn't recognised. this is a fact as my grandma was married in california for those 2 weeks they could get married. when prop8 came into effect they lost any right marriage gave and were torn apart as my grandma didn't have a green card and wasn't able to get one. she was kicked out of the country for 6 months at a time and was only allowed back for 6 months, thats assuming they let her back.
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Fair enough that's good enough for me, I accept that it also tears apart happy families in that case.

Fairly sure the answer is no said:
they are just one of many families prop8 had massive effects on. this is something Eich gave money towards. people then judge the those who say whilst this guy is the head of mozilla i wont be using their poducts unless he has since changed his mind. this is all they're asking and they're the bad guys...?
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...Won't be using their products but will continue to use his product (javascript) It doesn't make them bad guys to do that, it just comes across as disingenuous. It's also funny because Google aren't exactly good guys themselves.
 
i think the issue is being a little lost. it's not targeted against eich as such. javascript is just some langauge the population has no real care or passion about. firefox however is something people do get passionate about and will defend and recommend to others. it's then the thought that the ceo of a product people enjoy using and care about is someone who donates towards prop8. as ecently mentioned his donation was 6 years ago and no one really cared. it was only until he started to run mozilla, a company which markets itself in such a way that leads to their products becoming something people care about, that there was an issue.

just listening on the bbc an interview between a mozilla employee and rory jones. it appears some employees did try to get him to apologise on a personal level for the damage prop8 caused them, he refused and instead decided to resign.
 
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Fairly sure the answer is no said:
just listening on bbc and interview between an mozilla employee and rory jones. it appears some employees did try to get him to apologise on a personal level for the damage prop8 caused them, he refused and instead decided to resign.
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I think that's fair enough really, obviously he hasn't changed his mind on the issue of gay marriage and doesn't want to issue a hollow apology so choose to resign instead. No doubt he he could see the harm it was doing to their image.

It's a shame really, not only has it end up costing him his job but it was all for nothing anyway as the law wasn't constitutional.
 
Fairly sure the answer is no said:
why is it people constantly ignore he didn't just have an opinion but actively gave money to a law that made people's lives worse?

i'll say it again, it was just an opinion, it was the act of giving money that people didn't like, but they allowed it for 6 years. only until he became CEO of mozilla was it an issue. why is this so hard to understand? people think of mozilla as a forward thinking open liberal company, which hired a (potentially) backwards thinking peson that donates to causes which cause distress, destroy families and discriminate.

people also forget this is about stuff that happened in the usa.
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You could say the same thing about someone lobbying against Obama's healthcare bill. In some peoples *opinion* that would be making peoples lives worse. This is mud slinging. As some people have said in various comments on the interwebs, if this is "progress", it sucks.
 
FirebarUK said:
You could say the same thing about someone lobbying against Obama's healthcare bill. In some peoples *opinion* that would be making peoples lives worse. This is mud slinging. As some people have said in various comments on the interwebs, if this is "progress", it sucks.
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That's not an effective simile, as it lacks the simple black and white wrongness of discrimination. It would be more like someone supporting a healthcare amendment where gays had to be treated on different beds. Not worse beds, fewer beds, or more expensive beds, just different ones - cos straight people shouldn't have to use the same beds as gay people. It's not natural.
 
Seems like a big lot of fuss over nothing..so what, he opposes gay marriage, so do lots of people.

Use Firefox or don't, but don't castigate those who do. Its a choice for the individual to make.

I will continue to use Firefox as it suits me better than the alternatives...what the Mozilla CEO thinks of gay marriage has nothing to do with me so why should it influence my decision.
 
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Castiel said:
Seems like a big lot of fuss over nothing..so what, he opposes gay marriage, so do lots of people. [..]
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Does he? As far as I know, he doesn't say and hardly anyone even bothered asking him. OKCupid gets money, various media outlets get money and various people get to wield power and have the powerful feeling of righteousness. So why would any of them care what the truth is?

Barack Obama also opposed gay marriage at the same time. I bet many of the people campaigning against Brendan Eich don't even know that. Barack Obama has changed his mind since. Has Brendan Eich? Nobody involved in the campaign knows. Or cares. Even after he apologised very publically for the suffering Prop 8 caused to people, they still didn't care. They wanted his head or his explicit submission, nothing less would do.
 
Angilion said:
Does he? As far as I know, he doesn't say and hardly anyone even bothered asking him.
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from what an employee has said he refused to apologise to the employees at mozilla for the issues prop 8 caused.

Angilion said:
Has Brendan Eich? Nobody involved in the campaign knows. Or cares. Even after he apologised very publically for the suffering Prop 8 caused to people, they still didn't care. They wanted his head or his explicit submission, nothing less would do.
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Has he? as far as i know he hasn't but that's why i started this thread to find out. can you provide proof?


can you also provide proof obama was against gay marriage? i would be interested to see this, as from what i remember in obama's first term it was something he always planned to do but it was kept fairly quiet because of many political reasons. i think it's fairly safe to save obama has always been on the side of the LGBT community having equal rights, he just did it in baby steps and it seemed to have worked out eventually.
 
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Castiel said:
Seems like a big lot of fuss over nothing..so what, he opposes gay marriage, so do lots of people.
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Have you purposefully ignored that he donated towards prop 8 and the suffering that happened as a result or just unaware?

Castiel said:
Use Firefox or don't, but don't castigate those who do. Its a choice for the individual to make.
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i'm lost with your point. since when were those who use firefox castigated? also surely if anyone has been castigated unfairly here it would be the LGBT community because of prop8, which he donated to and supported. is that ok (hurting families) but the reaction (changing browser) 6 years later not?

the sentence you just said above could be said about gay marriage. "get married or don't, but don't castigate those who do (just because they are gay). it's a choice for the individuals to make." which this guy did.

and then you say it's a big lot of fuss that people don't wish for him to be ceo whilst he still has those views. your views are so odd.

Castiel said:
what the Mozilla CEO thinks of gay marriage has nothing to do with me so why should it influence my decision.
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does this mean that if it did have something to do with you then it would influence your decision? if not then what was your point of the above?

does that then also mean you understand that those who it did have something to do with have been influenced to change browser? again if not what was your point?
 
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< have always been a Mozilla/Firefox user since release in 2002. Used IE/AOL/Netscape before 2002, but always went back to Netscape, so I guess I've always been Mozilla-engine kid. Chrome I like too as a backup / test browser though. It's just I prefer FF.

I have a number of LGBT friends, but the Mozilla CEO scandal reminds me of the 51 genders that recently opened up for Facebook users. Gender alone should have been: male, female, trans (both ways) and undisclosed - that's 5 options. Then gender identity as a separate dropdown menu: masculine, feminine, tomboy, effeminate - that's 4 options.

Btw, Okcupid works ok for me, but it's probably either the NoScript or Firebug add-ons that I'm using.
 
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