Tamiflu Fraud

[Mr Jones]

The information was available then. We knew the pandemic was media hysteria and a lie to push the tamiflu on to the population and governments.

Before the uk government purchased the half a billion of bogus medicine. A lot of people were pointing out that it was a waste of money and a scam at the time. Just not the people spending tax payers money who are obviously in cahoots with the big pharma and regulatory agencies.

What information about the pandemic?

No credible peer reviewed papers said the pandemic is bogus.
A load of CT sites will banging yes, but not academic reports.

The threat was there, just made to sound like the end of the world by Media (much like Spiders last Autumn, and the recent Giant Rats).

We have a group on elected members who have to take the information as it was fed, with or without media influces, they hedged on the wrong bet. Yes, we've lost money, we have a stockpile of Tamiflu which has been shown to be not effective.

It does not mean the Pandemic is fake, the threat is still there - but media is busy with Peaches and MH370.

You've just made connection that in hindsight, we should have believed the pandemic is fake, not invest in a potential life saving medication because all pharma are evil. What if the elected members did that and it was wrong? What would CT site bang on next, that the Government didn't listed to their clear vision of the pandemic and how ineffective Tamiflu would have been?

 

[The Geezer]

There was a pandemic - over 14,000 people died from H1N1 in 2009.

Damn Burnsy, I was hoping we could lead him there with open questions and subtle hints

 

[Mr Jones]

It was deemed as effective because the scientific community at large didn't have all of the evidence to make an informed decision. Roche has now provided the trials, the Chocrane Review has analysed the data and shown only very marginal benefit.

Aye, that's precisely why action needed to be taken then but now it's been proven ineffective, it shouldn't mean what OP said that the Pandemic is faked.

It's like insurance, you do pay for something that you possibly never need. Tamiflu was the insurance and turns out, it's no better long after the initial threat.

If only all decision makers have these perfect vision.

OP, you tried buying lottery with your future spy glass yet?

 

[anything I don't mind]

50000 deaths per year are already attributed to the general flu.

The idea that we had a one strain outbreak in 2009 that was classified as a pandemic is nothing but fraudulent information cooked up to sell tamiflu to the governments. We talking about a global billion dollar fraud here.

If you remember me pointing out the dodgy ukraine outbreak back in 09 http://www.examiner.com/article/ukr...icate-h1n1-vaccine-and-biological-weapon-link

Where the baxter sent a shipment of contaminated vaccines to austria "by mistake" and was only detected by chance.

 

[Xordium]

Actually there is a big issue that people are ignoring there and that has raised its head here and with statins etc. That the drug companies are not allowing full access to their data from which they draw their conclusions (that will obviously benefit them) from. People including governments and health boards then have this to act only in isolation. This is actually a very very serious issue.

I find it ironic that if I wanted to find the best way to code something I would have access to blogs, company guides, articles etc but if I wanted to find best practice in medicine then the data I would need would be locked away by drug companies and articles hidden behind paywalls. Surely this is an issue and this actually raises very serious questions.

 

[AdladUK]

I'd much rather my government waste a few million stockpiling a drug in fear of a pandemic

A "few" million. Goes to show how twisted your opinion is then huh.

It was 5 HUNDRED million, as in £500,000,000. That's a huge amount of money.

 

[Pestilence]

Actually there is a big issue that people are ignoring there and that has raised its head here and with statins etc. That the drug companies are not allowing full access to their data from which they draw their conclusions (that will obviously benefit them) from. This is actually a very very serious issue.

I find it ironic that if I wanted to find the best way to code something I would have access to blogs, company guides, articles etc but if I wanted to find best practice in medicine then the data I would need would be locked away by drug companies and articles hidden behind paywalls. Surely this is an issue and this actually raises very serious questions.

Indeed. In a roundabout way he does have somewhat of a point -- except that it's more geared towards Snake Oil salesmen acting within Big Pharma, using what may be underhand tactics to sell off useless product while withholding the data that proves it as such.

 

[AdladUK]

50000 deaths per year are already attributed to the general flu.

50,000 in just the UK? Or Worldwide? If just the UK I'd be interested on your source, because the last EU report I saw was in the region of 20,000-30,000 deaths a year for the entire EU.

Of course any flu related death statistic is widely ranged and usually pretty inaccurate

 

[TwsT]

do you believe in chemtrails too?

 

[Mr Jones]

Actually there is a big issue that people are ignoring there and that has raised its head here and with statins etc. That the drug companies are not allowing full access to their data from which they draw their conclusions (that will obviously benefit them) from. People including governments and health boards then have this to act only in isolation. This is actually a very very serious issue.

I find it ironic that if I wanted to find the best way to code something I would have access to blogs, company guides, articles etc but if I wanted to find best practice in medicine then the data I would need would be locked away by drug companies and articles hidden behind paywalls. Surely this is an issue and this actually raises very serious questions.

That is quite true. It's just a shame many drugs are patented and these drug companies hold them high to keep "me too" drugs form coming up with that.

It is however a necessary evil we have to trade for continuous research that public alone cannot fund.

A "few" million. Goes to show how twisted your opinion is then huh.

It was 5 HUNDRED million, as in £500,000,000. That's a huge amount of money.

And how much money is spend on insurance?
There was a threat to millions of life, hindsight should have saved us all that money, but alas... we don't have the top psychic in the governing body.

 

[Sliver]

A "few" million. Goes to show how twisted your opinion is then huh.

It was 5 HUNDRED million, as in £500,000,000. That's a huge amount of money.

Still a drop in the ocean for a trillion £ economy.

 

[AdladUK]

do you believe in chemtrails too?

No need to be silly.

This isn't about believing "vaccines cause autism" or something ridiculous like that. It's about governments wasting vast amounts of money on ineffective treatments and the corruption/ignorance that leads to that point.

The guy who has wrote this report (Carl Heneghan) is a Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford. I imagine he and his peers know far more about this than you or I

 

[AdladUK]

Still a drop in the ocean for a trillion £ economy.

If you say so.

 

[AdladUK]

There was a threat to millions of life.

No there was not.

 

[anything I don't mind]

50,000 in just the UK? Or Worldwide? If just the UK I'd be interested on your source, because the last EU report I saw was in the region of 20,000-30,000 deaths a year for the entire EU.

Of course any flu related death statistic is widely ranged and usually pretty inaccurate

50000 per year globally taken from cdc website 5 mins ago after a google search.

do you believe in chemtrails too?

Chemtrails are nothing more than airplane exhaust.

Back in 2009 when the fake pandemic started the internet was a buzz with the ukraine bioweapon reports. Then we found out that a lot of politicians held stock in tamiflu, the very medicine that they were pushing to governments around the world. We knew then that this whole thing was a massive fraud.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/baxter-admits-flu-product-contained-live-bird-flu-virus-1.374503

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?sid=aTo3LbhcA75I&pid=newsarchive

An austrian researcher filed a lawsuit against baxter but it didn't go anywhere.

 

[Sliver]

If you say so.

I think I just did.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Evidence comes from same regulatory bodies that were pushing for tamiflu to be bought.

No. The WHO is not a regulatory body that approves pharma.

Most of the instances of flu were picked up from the vaccines and anti-viral drugs like tamiflu which side effects are essentially the same as flu symptoms.

No. Vaccines don't give you flu symptoms and Taniflu's side effects aren't the same either. You won't get a fever with Tamiflu.

Vaccines work by giving the virus to the person but in a lesser version. Thus most instances of the flu were picked up from people who had a vaccine and passed teh flu on to other people. I knew of several cases of this happening in my own experience. Guy at work had the vaccine and passed the flu on to a few people.

You're clearly showing your ignorance of vaccinations here. I suggest you stop talking about them until you've read up on them. What you've got there is not how vaccines work in this case.

 

[Burnsy2023]

50000 deaths per year are already attributed to the general flu.

The idea that we had a one strain outbreak in 2009 that was classified as a pandemic is nothing but fraudulent information cooked up to sell tamiflu to the governments. We talking about a global billion dollar fraud here.

Under the WHO definition it was a phase 6 global pandemic. The issue with H1N1 was the demographic of people who died were not the normal set as per seasonal flu. Otherwise fit and heathy people were dying rather than just vulnerable groups.

 

[Mr Jones]

No there was not.

Apologies, 750,000 people in Britain, millions in the world.

But £500 Million insurance to help possibly prevent the death of 3/4 million Brits isn't justified at that point in time?

Before this report was released, 8 years ago, a decision had to be made.

Would you risk it?

 

[Burnsy2023]

That is quite true. It's just a shame many drugs are patented and these drug companies hold them high to keep "me too" drugs form coming up with that.

It is however a necessary evil we have to trade for continuous research that public alone cannot fund.

Whilst patents are inevitable, it's important that all research data on clinical trials are open and transparent. Pharma companies have no obligation to publish any data and so they often only publish studies that show efficacy rather than everything. The alltrials campaign is looking to get a change in the law at a European level to alter this.