Tamiflu Fraud

[anything I don't mind]

They knew very well when teh purchase it that it was ineffective, there was more than enough sources of information repeating that. They just ignored them all as crazy conspiracy theorists and went a head and spent half a billion on ineffective medicine for a non existent pandemic.

They should all be arrested for fraud the lot of them.

 

[Tombo]

muh big pharma

 

[TwsT]

No need to be silly.

This isn't about believing "vaccines cause autism" or something ridiculous like that. It's about governments wasting vast amounts of money on ineffective treatments and the corruption/ignorance that leads to that point.

The guy who has wrote this report (Carl Heneghan) is a Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford. I imagine he and his peers know far more about this than you or I

Yes they probably do but prosecuting people for fraud? Are we talking about the same inept and corrupt governments of the past 30 years?

The way the OP is rattling on about this is tantamount to a child crying after he has dropped his lolly.

Whether the article holds up or not doesn't detract that the OP comes across as a loon.

 

[AdladUK]

If they can, and they have, proved that the Iraq war was done on false pretences. Can they prove that the government knew about the inefficiency of Tamiflu at the point of decision, if so, then they are at fault.

No that's fair enough. I just believe there is more to the story and things aren't so simple. At the very least they have been proven incompetent.

The fact this vaccine could be totally useless is just the cherry on top

 

[TwsT]

This is no worse than some of the back hand deals for IT support inside the civil service.

The price hospitals pay for drugs
the price they pay for IT support
The price they paid for those terrible systems and the Millenium bug

Tax payers money is always at a high risk of being embezzled just look at the Wembley fiasco. orthe G4S situation and then there is ATOS.

 

[AdladUK]

Nope you're right lets drag up a bad decisions made 8 years ago.

In fairness it was 5 years. But yeah you're right there is corruption on many levels and vast sums of money are wasted on lots of silly crappy things.

I suppose people get a little more sensitive when it's to do with stuff that gets injected into their bodies though

And if indeed there are a number of side effects to this vaccine I think it's important they should be made clear

 

[Third Opinion]

I always thought of it as a browny point knee jerk reaction.

I got very bad Flu during the time and had been working on farm land not far from animals. My GP made it quite clear that Tamiflu would not help me once the symptoms of flu had come out and even if it did the supplies of it were solely for civil servant key workers.

I totally understand that but why did we stockpile so much, I guess even if it is not out of date now it will be shortly.

 

[dacads]

Swineflu next

 

[Burnsy2023]

But you have never even question authority in your life burnsy, so i am not suprised that you blidnly trust the WHO and the CDC.

Ahh if only you knew me....

and reports show that there was actaully no pandemic.

Source please.

Flu Vaccines and tamiflu both leave patients with a mild to severe symptoms. I know several people that had the vaccine in 09 and took time off work due the flu like symptoms. My sister being one of them.

Correlation does not equal causation.

The way vaccines work as far as i am aware is to give a lighter version of a deadly virus and this inoculates the vaccinated against the more serious virus. I have done some research on it.

Most vaccines do not work like that - polio vaccine for example uses an inactive virus that the body can detect and produce antibodies for but can't cause polio. The flu vaccine is similar in the fact it used a deactivated virus.

 

[AdladUK]

Burnsy2023: you seem pretty up to date on the topic of flu vaccines, so I have a question...

Do we have any actual real World evidence that flu vaccines reduce deaths significantly when used on the general population in mass? I understand they work in a lab environment, but what about real World?

For example, the last EU study I saw was around 20,000 deaths per year in all the EU (this might be considered a high estimate given the difficulties coming up with an accurate number) and then around 35,000 deaths per year in the US.

Now in the US flu vaccines are big business. They are heavily marketed every where and around 50-60% of the population (total average) gets them. In Europe it's much lower, around 30% on average.

So why if flu shots are so effective do we have nearly 1/2 the number of deaths, even though the US has double the vaccination rate? AND not forgetting we also have 400 million more people than them. Surely our death rate should be way higher?

I think also flu vaccination rates around the World are even lower than Europe and yet they have lower death rates.

I'm interested to hear why

Also has the mortality rate from flu actually ever really decreased significantly since flu shots were introduced? I apologize for not having the sources at hand, but I remember seeing numerous reports that in fact it's stayed pretty much the same before and after flu vaccines were introduced to the public

 

[anything I don't mind]

Ahh if only you knew me....
Source please.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Most vaccines do not work like that - polio vaccine for example uses an inactive virus that the body can detect and produce antibodies for but can't cause polio. The flu vaccine is similar in the fact it used a deactivated virus.

The source was in the post. I quoted a snippet from the wikipedia article you posted as evidence for the pandemic. Which clearly states that the conclusion of the study was that the risk of the flu strain was at a lower level than the usual seasonal flu.

You know the say if one person calls you horse... Well if i see several people in my own experience become sick after taking the flu vaccine back in 09 then I don't think you can claim that is causation from correlation. Its more like drawing a conclusion from first hand experience.

Well that is just semantics. The point is that flu vaccines contain a type of flu in them that is meant to be less harmful that the actual flu they are vaccinating against. Do you dispute this?

You always asking for sources, you the cop why don't you investigate it If you want to know how investigate it, look for the people that benefited from the sale of tamiflu and you find the people responsible for the fraud.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

In case anyone is missing the context here, the OP (previously known as groen) does not believe that man landed on the moon.

Just think about that as you read his replies, it makes it more bearable somehow.

 

[checjb]

I don't really know why I come into these threads. I think it must be some sort of sado-masochistic urge deep in my hind brain. It's always the same: Half-baked conspiracy theories with cherry picked 'facts' or just plain nonsense versus intelligent, fact & science based reasoning. Regrettably, the end result is exactly the same as the religious threads.
Oh well, back to work for one of the evil 'big pharma' giants who are trying to profit from inflicting misery and doom on the world. Perhaps if I am really diligent I can reach the level where I get to undermine governments and regulator authorities through conspiracy and illegal payments. Now, if I could only work out why my entire business sector is terrified of the MHRA and the FDA. After all, we appear to be paying them/colluding with them for our nefarious gain. It must be a sneaky double-blind con. Anyway, back to working on asthma and COPD inhalers. Or "miniaturised chemtrail generators" as they are called in the secret reports.

 

[itchy]

It was a fraud from the start, I told people not to touch it.

We been around for thousands of years with our friend the flu, it aint wiped us out yet!

 

[Xordium]

Walk past people tomorrow and count up from 1 to 20 when you reach 20 shoot that person then start again - go all around the world and that is effectively what Spanish Flu did in 1918 across the whole planet it killed 1 in 20. Look around you at everyone you value, everyone you care about then count from 1 upto 20 and imagine the last person dead then start again. that is nothing to be flippant about and that is what awaits us again.

 

[Nutella33]

Walk past people tomorrow and count up from 1 to 20 when you reach 20 shoot that person then start again - go all around the world and that is effectively what Spanish Flu did in 1918 across the whole planet it killed 1 in 20. Look around you at everyone you value, everyone you care about then count from 1 upto 20 and imagine the last person dead then start again. that is nothing to be flippant about and that is what awaits us again.

I knew not having many friends would benefit me eventually!

 

[AdladUK]

Walk past people tomorrow and count up from 1 to 20 when you reach 20 shoot that person then start again - go all around the world and that is effectively what Spanish Flu did in 1918 across the whole planet it killed 1 in 20. Look around you at everyone you value, everyone you care about then count from 1 upto 20 and imagine the last person dead then start again. that is nothing to be flippant about and that is what awaits us again.

If only people like yourself would apply the same harsh critique to their own opinions and posts then you'd probably not make such ridiculous comparisons and scaremongering.

 

[sbi5ar]

If only people like yourself would apply the same harsh critique to their own opinions and posts then you'd probably not make such ridiculous comparisons and scaremongering.

How is it scaremongering if it happened :/

And as for it happening again... It will...

 

[AdladUK]

How is it scaremongering if it happened :/

And as for it happening again... It will...

It's scaremongering and stupid to compare something that happened in 1918 to 2014. For many reasons.

I really can't be bothered going into them.

And no, it won't necessarily "happen again". What are you now? A predictor of future World events?

 

[arknor]

I knew not having many friends would benefit me eventually!

You have to count your own reflection 20 times