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Nvidia’s 337.5 ‘Wonder Driver’ Raises Eyebrows – Numbers in the Official Slides are only Selectively

Just wanted to say good on you Gregster for posting a thread that posts a less than glowing light on Nvidia.

With all the red/green team talk that usually goes on in this section, it's really good to see a little neutrality going on - long may it continue! :) Personally, I'm really pleased that this new driver is giving a boost to those with Nvidia cards, even if it is only under certain circumstances and games. Every improvement's still an improvement.
 
Stu, if I was a single card owner, I would be disappointed. There is some gains but nothing worth singing from the roof tops about but SLI is night and day for some reason.

I always ran my CPU at 4.625Ghz and Titans at stock and forever hearing the PSU fan kicking in and it is loud. Since dropping my CPU to stock and getting the same performance or more in games, it never kicks in. That is gaming heaven for me. I went water cooling for the quiet :D

nVidia have done well for SLI and hopefully they can bring some of that to single card users but I doubt that they can. It definitely reduces the CPU overhead and this is where they get their big gains from. Anyone who runs a Q6600 and a 780Ti should see some noticeable gains but that isn't what I expect many people are running.
 
So DM isn't concerned about 4 card scaling? Because he doesn't have 4 cards?
But DM is concerned enough about Nvidia drivers to post in this thread repeatedly. So presumably must have at least one Nvidia card?
Or is it just that 4 card scaling doesn't fit in with his minor gains argument?

Also, to be fair I'm not sure everyone is seeing the massive gains AMD boasted of in Mantle games either. The whole 2 of them.

I also seem to recall DM moaning that these drivers didn't help across the board but only in 1 or 2 games. So it's fine when Mantle affects 1 or 2 games (3 months after being released?) but when Nvidia drivers do it from the moment they're released it's a let down?

I recall in the Mantle thread when Nvidia posters were playing down Mantle gains that a number of AMD users made the point that the Nvidia users were judging Mantle without using it. Apparently this ok to do with Nvidia drivers though?

I think both companies have a tendency to be a bit optimistic with their marketing, but surely this is to be expected? Do we really expect them to release drivers going "3% performance gains on the top-end cards in specific places of certain games if you're really really lucky!"

As was said with Mantle, the drivers are free, any performance gains you get are free.
I don't think these drivers or Mantle should be a reason for purchasing that vendors cards, simply a bonus when you do.
 
It's very possible that Nvidia are just sand bagging...

these new "wonder drivers" are probably another gear on the performance spectrum for what these gpu's are capable of...

makes sense in a commercial competitive market...save something in reserve for any competitor's attempt at trying to outpace...

I don't think Mantle is all that - it's still "if'y" in it's drivers and AMD tend to do inefficient products but "clock em up" to be competitive... so something similar could be the case for mantle's performance...
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
So DM isn't concerned about 4 card scaling? Because he doesn't have 4 cards?
But DM is concerned enough about Nvidia drivers to post in this thread repeatedly. So presumably must have at least one Nvidia card?
Or is it just that 4 card scaling doesn't fit in with his minor gains argument?

Also, to be fair I'm not sure everyone is seeing the massive gains AMD boasted of in Mantle games either. The whole 2 of them.

I also seem to recall DM moaning that these drivers didn't help across the board but only in 1 or 2 games. So it's fine when Mantle affects 1 or 2 games (3 months after being released?) but when Nvidia drivers do it from the moment they're released it's a let down?

I recall in the Mantle thread when Nvidia posters were playing down Mantle gains that a number of AMD users made the point that the Nvidia users were judging Mantle without using it. Apparently this ok to do with Nvidia drivers though?

I think both companies have a tendency to be a bit optimistic with their marketing, but surely this is to be expected? Do we really expect them to release drivers going "3% performance gains on the top-end cards in specific places of certain games if you're really really lucky!"

As was said with Mantle, the drivers are free, any performance gains you get are free.
I don't think these drivers or Mantle should be a reason for purchasing that vendors cards, simply a bonus when you do.
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Precisely, when all is said and done it's free performance, no matter where it comes from. When the shoe is on the other foot some - or in this case one of us just has too much passion in the wrong place.
 
Still comes with gains, improves SLI stability and gpu usage.

Who cares if it isnt the advertised gains they all say "UP TO" % anyway

and I would consider 20+ FPS increase and much higher min FPS in Crysis 3 to be a success hey isn't that one that was mentioned?

"If you play Metro 2033, you will see a significant increase in FPS, but if you are for eg, playing Crysis 3, do not expect much of an increase."

Yeah .

BF4 while I have got a bit more FPS especially in 64man crazy action, it's also so much smoother with SLI.
Batman: Arkham origins also gained going from 54avg to 70avg, with PhysX working on the bottom card too.

Certainly better than the last set of drivers! be interesting to see where else they can take it on just drivers alone now the pressure is on.
 
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Exactly Murah, I don't understand why DM is kicking up so much of fuss about this. The gains being observed by a whole lot of people are nothing to be sniffed at - with Crysis 3 in SLI having very good gains in particular, which was a nice surprise. Previous to these drivers I obtained around 77fps in Crysis 3 with everything but AA maxed out at 1440p, now I obtain around 94fps and the experience feels quite a bit smoother too.
 
Well I think it is ridiculous that nVidia have said that there are gains of "up to 72%". Looking at Kaaps results in Rome Total war (that has these supposed 72% gains) and he clearly only gets a 168% improvement with these new drivers at 1600P and a poultry 92% gain at 1080P.

:D
 
triss said:
You didnt see any gains in any of the mentioned games cat?
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I don't run SLI and use a GTX660. I tested three newish games I had on hand and hardly saw any increase(under 5%). I tried a few other games after that,and noticed no real increase. Metro:Last Light was one of them.

I thought these were going to reduce CPU overhead on older/lower end CPUs. Either my CPU is too powerful(doubt it) or either this is just a targeted driver release for some games,ie,just like a few other larger driver release from Nvidia in the last two years,which targeted some games.

If I have the time I will try and see if Crysis3 gets some improvements in Welcome to the Jungle. That part is quite CPU intensive. A Core i7 is significantly faster in that part than a Core i5 for example.

Serves me bloody right for being actually excited about a release. I should have just stuck with my older drivers. I noticed worse minimums when running D3,after installing the drivers and the latency on the server side seemed fine!! :mad:
 
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Hmm might be due to the fact also you have a older GPU Cat iirc the big gains were listed for the 700 Series, If your lucky they will maybe have a later one for older cards bit like i guess mantle was best for new cards and there still working on older ones.
 
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