Young people feel robbed of a better life but they don't know what to do about it

Energize said:
Unless you don't mind periodic trips to the local county court to reclaim unpaid rent from the other tenant and losing your security deposit because they were a slob, moving in with someone you don't know is really not a good solution either.
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Or you could meet someone very nice and have the time of your life. You can always find a reason why not to do something, I know people that have lived their life like that and at near retirement have done very little with their lives, such a waste.
 
All I'm getting from this thread is the same "whine whine it's not my fault, life's not fair, someone else needs to do something about it!" teen angst as always.

If you've got a "dim" future then get off your lazy self-entitled emo **** and do something about it. Make some sacrifices like the rest of us have had to.

While you were ****ing about at college, we were working evening/saturday jobs. While you were out getting hammered every night at uni, we were studying and working part-time.

And don't give me the rubbish about less opportunities for this generation and how you need to have rich parents to get anywhere. I was earning more than my parents' combined income at 18 because I pulled my finger out and made those sacrifices.
 
Bear said:
Or you could meet someone very nice and have the time of your life. You can always find a reason why not to do something, I know people that have lived their life like that and at near retirement have done very little with their lives, such a waste.
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My point is you shouldn't be forced into it because of the economy. And I think it's a little extreme to suggest that people who want to avoid a houseshare want to do nothing in their entire lives...

Haggisman said:
*mouth foaming rant*
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People are working 40 hours a week, but can't afford a house because prices (along with everything else) have tripled since the last generation, welcome to 2014. Jobs aren't 10 a penny like they were last generation either for that matter when you could easily get a living wage with no qualifications or experience.
 
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Dismiss it as a rant if you want, therein lies the problem with many people. It's always someone else's fault.

Energize said:
Jobs aren't 10 a penny like they were last generation either for that matter when you could easily get a living wage with no qualifications or experience.
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Agreed. So if you're not happy with that, then go out there and get some qualifications and experience and get yourself a better job. No one else is going to do it for you, no matter how much you whinge about it not being fair.
 
Energize said:
My point is you shouldn't be forced into it because of the economy. And I think it's a little extreme to suggest that people who want to avoid a houseshare want to do nothing in their entire lives...
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Plenty of people do it in London as do millions of students. Should they all be given the right to live in their own accomodation ?

You know well that I didnt suggest that people who want to aviod a houseshare want to do nothing in life. I was talking more about your negative attitude in saying all the possible negatives, you can do that with everything in life and end up doing nothing.
 
They have be conned into massive debt thinking they have to go to uni etc. Commercialism as them addicted to frivolous throw away culture. I blame social media in the dumbing down of kids and giving false idols and aspirations to many.
 
Energize said:
My point is you shouldn't be forced into it because of the economy. And I think it's a little extreme to suggest that people who want to avoid a houseshare want to do nothing in their entire lives...



People are working 40 hours a week, but can't afford a house because prices (along with everything else) have tripled since the last generation, welcome to 2014. Jobs aren't 10 a penny like they were last generation either for that matter when you could easily get a living wage with no qualifications or experience.
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Errrrm, previous generation would have the entire family loving in a single room, from grandparents to grand children. Sometimes multiple families would share a single room.so why do you think you are so damn entitles to have the luxury of living in your own apartment, something which was inconceivable in years gone by and still is to many people around the world.

You've really just highlighited the issue - attitudes and expectations have changed faster than opertunities.
 
My mum and dad left school at 16 with no qualifications and both worked in retail. My dad eventually got a loan to open his own shop and my mum was a full time housewife as soon as I was born. By the time my parents were 32 they were living in their 3rd home, a 4 bedroom detached house in one of the best areas.

My wife and I both went through college and University she is a qualified teacher on the management team and I am an IT professional in a management role. 2 years ago when I was 32 and she 30 we finally had 40k saved and could afford our first 3 bed semi together.

My parents look at us and how hard we work and know the UK has changed...
 
D.P. said:
Errrrm, previous generation would have the entire family loving in a single room, from grandparents to grand children.
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Giggidy :p

But yes, I agree with your point, there's an expectation that one should be able to work a minimum wage job, and yet still be able to afford the latest smartphone, games console, 40+inch TV, car, go out on the lash every weekend, and have enough left over to pay off a mortgage in 10 years.

Please can anyone point out where previous generations have had anywhere near this level of disposable income to spend on "stuff"?
 
Kids in the UK today have so much opportunity it's unreal. They have access to so much help and resources I find it hard to believe a lot of kids get stuck. What I do think is obvious is a steady general downward trend of self-reliance and hard-working off your own back that has been seen over the last 20 odd years. I'll be honest, when I was at 6th form and uni we were starting to get spoon fed the education, and I certainly had it easier than say, someone 10 years older, but another 10 years on it's incredible how little people have to think for themselves.

I occasionally have a go at my dad and father in law about having to pay for their fat public sector pensions after they retired in their early 50s (education and police, respectively), but I can't really complain as my wife and I both benefited from their good fortune and the times they lived and worked in.

I think an atitude change of youth is required. Not everyone can play football/be a model/pro-gamer/celebrity. For the economy to be strong we need more useful people like scientists, engineers, researchers. But they aren't cool and are seen as being quite hard. Why do Maths and Physics when you can do RE, media studies and sports science?

Too much choice if anything.

All kids in the UK today pretty much have had the same opportunities for education, give or take. The difference is in the quality of homelife and the quality of parenting. It's not really the government's fault. It is the responsibility of individuals to recognise the world we live in and step up to work hard and instill that attitude in their kids. I don't know how you'd get the ones that are too far gone back though. Some people just shouldn't be parents.
 
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AndyT said:
Kids in the UK today have so much opportunity it's unreal. They have access to so much help and resources I find it hard to believe a lot of kids get stuck. What I do think is obvious is a steady general downward trend of self-reliance and hard-working off your own back that has been seen over the last 20 odd years. I'll be honest, when I was at 6th form and uni we were starting to get spoon fed the education, and I certainly had it easier than say, someone 10 years older, but another 10 years on it's incredible how little people have to think for themselves.

I occasionally have a go at my dad and father in law about having to pay for their fat public sector pensions after they retired in their early 50s (education and police, respectively), but I can't really complain as my wife and I both benefited from their good fortune and the times they lived and worked in.

I think an atitude change of youth is required. Not everyone can play football/be a model/pro-gamer/celebrity. For the economy to be strong we need more useful people like scientists, engineers, researchers. But they aren't cool and are seen as being quite hard. Why do Maths and Physics when you can do RE, media studies and sports science?

Too much choice if anything.
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This is what I meant in my previous post when I said "failure" is seen as being acceptable. Kids go through school/college, and if they struggle with something, instead of being given the support and encouragement to work through it and succeed, they're told it's OK to fail, and are given something easier.

Then they leave school and suddenly the world isn't as accommodating. If they struggle with something, they give up with it and expect to be given an easy ride, then complain it isn't fair when they don't get it.

So I guess from that perspective, I agree it isn't entirely their fault, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't take responsibility for doing something about it.
 
Also, why don't we demonise the Guardian as much as the Daily Mail on this Forum? It's just as bad. It's not as overtly inflammatory as the Mail, but has a more insidious approach to its opinionated pontificating. Hardcore Guardian readers are just as insufferable as their Daily Mail counterparts.
 
So I saw an article about how a guy has managed to dodge 44grands worth of train tickets in 5 years on his commute. It got me thinking in what world should a public transport system be costing 10 grand a year? Where's he commuting from bloody Brussels?

Then you have 2 or 3 grand car insurance for a new driver. Per year. How are young people meant to be able to afford a house if they can barely afford to get to work in a car or via public transport?

My daily commute on the train costs £5.80 return. I literally take 10 mins on the train and it's only 1 stop in between my starting point and getting off station. Sound like good value? I think not.
 
Haggisman said:
Agreed. So if you're not happy with that, then go out there and get some qualifications and experience and get yourself a better job. No one else is going to do it for you, no matter how much you whinge about it not being fair.
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That's the issue, there are hardly any jobs. I got a decent job purely because I happened to know the right person, even having the right qualifications there are tons of software developer graduates looking for a job.

With like-for-like qualifications and experience the job prospects are much poorer than in the past.

D.P. said:
Errrrm, previous generation would have the entire family loving in a single room, from grandparents to grand children. Sometimes multiple families would share a single room.so why do you think you are so damn entitles to have the luxury of living in your own apartment, something which was inconceivable in years gone by and still is to many people around the world.

You've really just highlighited the issue - attitudes and expectations have changed faster than opertunities.
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It's nothing to do with sense of entitlement, it's to do with lack of opportunity caused by mismanagement by the banks and government. No matter how hard you study and work you can't attain what you could in the past due to hyperinflation/lack of houses. There are less opportunities to get what you want these days.
 
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Rofflay said:
Which would be correct people with a mortgage do not own thier homes. They drive a nice car too paid for by higher purchase. They own nothing the bank owns everything and if there was no bank or anyone to lend they would be living at home with mum like the kids from years gone by. Without banks most of us own no more than we would a hundred years ago which means nothing but the clothes on our backs.


The whole system is designed to inpoverish and destroy family wealth for everyone but the upper class. The game is fixed like the erosion of familys. For example now people are forced to work double jobs due to the bankers. Instead of the Asian or older Western method of the females looking after the kids and elderly and the man working.


Purposely designed economic pressure and professional female roles now has both parents working, The kids in pre school and with babysitters. And Granny gets stuffed in a care home to be abused and destory all bonds with both Granny and the children. But the ingenius bit of this design by the elite is that not only will it erode family values it will erode the family wealth and boost the UK GDP by creating jobs that need not exist. For example if you put on enough pressure for the family to put Gran in a home you now create a job for a care home worker. The kids will create a job for the babysitters and preschool. And you yourself will have a job probably doing one of the above or if talented in a professional role.



So instead of everyone at home and dad out to work and the family in a lower tax threshhold, Now there are all these fake state employees doing it and putting thier familys further into the tax bands. Granny in the home will also leave your family ripe for care home fees and inheritance tax. And you lose all the family bonds as well. To be fair they deserve a pat on the back for designing such an evil scheme. It really is cruel and brilliant and will make sure that the poor are kept firmly poor as thier kids starting out will have nothing but the problems in my first paragraph.
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The whole no smoking its not for your health it's so you live longer and instead of dying and leaving at accumulated wealth to kids the state/wealthy can take it in care hone fees.
 
Energize said:
That's the issue, there are hardly any jobs. I got a decent job purely because I happened to know the right person, even having the right qualifications there are tons of software developer graduates looking for a job.

With like-for-like qualifications and experience the job prospects are much poorer than in the past.



It's nothing to do with sense of entitlement, it's to do with lack of opportunity caused by mismanagement by the banks and government. No matter how hard you study and work you can't attain what you could in the past due to hyperinflation/lack of houses. There are less opportunities to get what you want these days.
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Not to mention, if you are on benefits and start full-time education, they stop your benefit so now you can no longer afford to even get to college, uni, wherever.

There ARE things in place that sometimes seem geared towards holding people back. I'm only lucky that a friend offered me a job to train at the same time or I'd be in the hole I always was.
 
I really want to voice my opinions on this but don't have the time to post the amount that would need to be posted to justify all my opinions. So I will just say this.

I moved 300 miles to town where I knew no one for a low paid job because it was a job. Nothing is impossible There is no such thing as Can't only won't. Won't move to Scotland or Won't move where I don't know anyone or won't do that job. In 20 mile range from my postcode there are 99397 jobs listed with 3000 listed today on direct.gov, there are apprpx 10,000 people on JSA in Staffordshire. *based on stats from November 2013. Ontop of that you can buy a house for under 100k and rentals are cheap as chips. But I'm sure most people have a chip on their shoulders about places like Stoke on Trent Despite it being one of the best geographically located cities in England.

Sometimes people just have to bite the bullet and get any old job. Mine lead to a role in purchasing and hopefully will lead to a career all from saying enough is enough moving from my friends and family and getting a job.

Best thing the youth of today can do is gtfo Facebook and stop watching rubbish like towie or I'm a spoilt **** its my birthday or what ever reality cack is pummelled into their underdeveloped minds.

Oh and the guardian is full of poppycock these days it's quite sad how bad the telegraph is getting too.

The better life may or may not come but ultimately it's about making do with what you have got. I feel sorry for people that work 40 hours a week and feel robbed of a lifestyle but I work 40 hours a week too I still have a life. Depends what you value and how you want to spend your time I suppose. There seems to be a delusional sense of entitlement to a better life. Which sadly isn't the case and is just a dream. This Faux middle class nonsense is part to blame too. You may be upper income but you're still working class.
 
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My parents were able to buy a house in the late 80s on my dads scaffolding labourer salary only, they sold that house and they bought a nice 3 bedroom semi detached with a garden in Macclesfield in 1990. When they sold it in 1991 just as the early 90 crash was starting, it had appreciated and they walked away with £10k +-

I think in history the way progress has gone since the industrial revolution is that each generations had a higher standard of living than the previous generation. This continues today but what has happened for the first time is that in spite of the technological advances we have enjoyed of recent years, some aspects have actually peaked at the last generation and are now deteriorating. While sure in many ways we enjoy a much higher standard of living than our parents and our children the same. When it comes to housing and job availability these are affected differently.
 
Rofflay said:
Which would be correct people with a mortgage do not own thier homes. They drive a nice car too paid for by higher purchase. They own nothing the bank owns everything and if there was no bank or anyone to lend they would be living at home with mum like the kids from years gone by. Without banks most of us own no more than we would a hundred years ago which means nothing but the clothes on our backs.


The whole system is designed to inpoverish and destroy family wealth for everyone but the upper class. The game is fixed like the erosion of familys. For example now people are forced to work double jobs due to the bankers. Instead of the Asian or older Western method of the females looking after the kids and elderly and the man working.


Purposely designed economic pressure and professional female roles now has both parents working, The kids in pre school and with babysitters. And Granny gets stuffed in a care home to be abused and destory all bonds with both Granny and the children. But the ingenius bit of this design by the elite is that not only will it erode family values it will erode the family wealth and boost the UK GDP by creating jobs that need not exist. For example if you put on enough pressure for the family to put Gran in a home you now create a job for a care home worker. The kids will create a job for the babysitters and preschool. And you yourself will have a job probably doing one of the above or if talented in a professional role.



So instead of everyone at home and dad out to work and the family in a lower tax threshhold, Now there are all these fake state employees doing it and putting thier familys further into the tax bands. Granny in the home will also leave your family ripe for care home fees and inheritance tax. And you lose all the family bonds as well. To be fair they deserve a pat on the back for designing such an evil scheme. It really is cruel and brilliant and will make sure that the poor are kept firmly poor as thier kids starting out will have nothing but the problems in my first paragraph.
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badcompany said:
The whole no smoking its not for your health it's so you live longer and instead of dying and leaving at accumulated wealth to kids the state/wealthy can take it in care hone fees.
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Hanlon's Razor ;)
 
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