Young people feel robbed of a better life but they don't know what to do about it

The whole no smoking its not for your health it's so you live longer and instead of dying and leaving at accumulated wealth to kids the state/wealthy can take it in care hone fees.

Well when you create a care home job you also take the carer away from thier own parents. And as such the domino effect goes around all the females. How many of them work as carers or stupid jobs that basically any muppet can do?


Revenue, Britain PLC, Depopulate the plebs and destroy thier familys. You can tell it is coming when i was really young i remember my mum doing nights at the hospital and my dad doing the dayshift at the same hospital. I got up went to school and came home to a babysitter and was confused about where my mum was. I actually F-bombed the babysitter aged 8 and jumped the fence to get home. It really disturbs me a bit even now i have no real memories of it but i do have bad feeling about it. We do not hug either infact if my mum hugged me it would be like that scene from step brothers and i think it was down to those key early years.


There is going to be a generation of kevins very soon screaming i hate you and obeying no one. Just look at the new child protection laws, I call them Kevins law as it will make Kevin basically immune to punishment. Kevin will probably go on to work at MC Donalds or shine Ian Duncan Smiths shoes if he is lucky. Shine your shoes for a penny sir?
 
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I really want to voice my opinions on this but don't have the time to post the amount that would need to be posted to justify all my opinions. So I will just say this.

I moved 300 miles to town where I knew no one for a low paid job because it was a job. Nothing is impossible There is no such thing as Can't only won't. Won't move to Scotland or Won't move where I don't know anyone or won't do that job. In 20 mile range from my postcode there are 99397 jobs listed with 3000 listed today on direct.gov, there are apprpx 10,000 people on JSA in Staffordshire. *based on stats from November 2013. Ontop of that you can buy a house for under 100k and rentals are cheap as chips. But I'm sure most people have a chip on their shoulders about places like Stoke on Trent Despite it being one of the best geographically located cities in England.

Did you actually look into the jobs? Or, like everyone one else on here that uses direct.gov for stats just pull the figures alone? How many of them are "self-employed" catalog distributers? The ones that cost more to work than you get back in pay. How many are very vague "warehouse workers required" that are actually agencies padding their numbers with no real jobs to be had? All the employment websites, including the governments is a joke.

People simply can't move to the other end of the country to try and get a job at £6.31 an hour, zero hour contract that might not even exist.
 
We bought our house in 2012. I was 31, my now wife was 37.

It is possible, but agreed, saving a deposit whilst paying rent is hard. But the bottom line is that it can be done.

I left home at 24 and rented a 1 bedroom place with an open plan lounge/kitchen. I was bringing home around £1,100 a month, and my rent alone was £480 a month with council tax and electricity on top. I had very little money for anything and had a very basic lifestyle. No holidays, no drinking in the pub, no new clothes. Nothing. But at least I was on my own two feet and making my own way in life. That meant more to me than worrying if I was paying someone elses mortgage :rolleyes: (bit of a lame excuse Foxeye if you ask me, sorry).

I feel the priorities and outlook of younger people today are a little mixed up. I once got made redundant on 23rd December. Instead of moping I hit the agencies - every one I could think of and on the 27th I was back in work as a temp. Less money than I wanted but it was a job and at least I could pay the bills.

Folk still living at home don't have that pressure, and with all due respect, don't know they are born. Younger people today like to bum around. Their mental attitude is weak, in my opinion. It is all "I can't this, I won't that" then they complain that they have to live at home :rolleyes: Perhaps instead they should be cracking on, and making things happen in their life instead of pretending the world owes them a living?

My brother was around the same age as me when he left home in 2000. Well actually he bought the family home off my parents for £50,000 and we moved out. He was earning a little bit more than I was, but got a mortgage easily for less than I was paying in rent just 4 years later. Five years later his house was worth £125,000! He sold it and walked away with a nice little nest egg. He squandered it.

He also had a 'granted' university education whereas I had to take out loans.

I never had that chance. I never had a nice mature home dropped in my lap for a cheap price and I never had a lump sum nest egg either. Yes, I believe he did have it easier than me. I worked no less hard but his opportunities were greater (or should I say luckier?). But, that is life. Life is not fair so get over it.

I just cracked on and got on with it. Next time you think you are hard done to, go and buy a plane ticket to Somalia, or Syria, or Pakistan, or any numbers of places in the world where what you take for granted is a distant dream for people living there.

My parents didn't have a lot. They bought a house because they had saved their backsides off whilst living at home when they were courting. No holidays, no social life. Graft and thrift was their life for years and years and they were the first in both sides of the family to ever get a mortgage. During the 80's when interest rates went to 16% it almost broke them and we came very close to losing our home. My dad used to go to work in plastic shoes that cost £3 from the market, with cardboard inside to cover the holes in the soles. We lived on beans on toast and jam sandwiches. My mother did all of the housework, got us all to school and still did a full time job. My father worked two jobs and only used to get about 4hrs sleep a night. But yeah, their generation had it easy compared to us! :rolleyes:

I didn't have any clothes of my own for the first 10 years of my life, only hand-me-downs from my brother and elder cousins. We never went on holiday except the odd trip to a caravan in Rhyl, and our first VCR was one my dad found in a skip that someone had thrown away. We didnt get the internet till 1999, and the only PC we had was a 2nd hand 386 someone in the family donated to my brother. I didnt have a mobile phone till I was 18.

But we had our own home, so of course we were 'well off'. I really don't agree - the sacrifices my parents made to keep our home were phenomenal and I am forever grateful because it really taught me the value of things, which is something I think todays young people have lost sight of in a big way. Not just that, but the work ethos instilled in me seems to be lacking too.

Fast forward to 2014 and I earn more than my parents ever did put together. We have a detached house in a nice area, and we both have cars and both have a good social life and go on holidays when we can. Yet getting here was not easy. My wife has been working 2 jobs and I have been working 6-7 days a week for at least 10hrs a day, all over the country for the last god knows how many years. But when I look at it in real terms it was far easier than what my parents had to go through.

I have just had to plan my life and instead of moaning about it not being fair, I sit down and think "right, how can I make things better?". The opportunities are there, they are just different and require a different approach. I still firmly beleive that anyone with a positive mental attitude and a healthy amount of drive can achieve good things for their life, but you have to take the knock downs and the hassle and the disappointment on the way.

@FoxEye:

Do you go on holiday?
Do you have a social life?
Do you drive a car that is more expensive than you need?
Do you tend to have nice clothes?
Do you tend to spend money at Christmas?
Do you have a nice smart phone?
Do you have a fast internet connection?
Do you have Sky TV?
Do you have takeaways at the weekend?
Do you live at home for 'free'?
Do you drink/smoke?

If you can genuinely say no to all of the above and still cannot afford to at least rent your own place, or save for a deposit then I agree, you are a rare individual who is genuinely priced out of the market. My guess, though, is your case is similar to most people with a "can't/won't" attitude, in that you probably have all of the above and you prioritise them over saving for a deposit, or renting your own place.

In effect you want your cake and eat it, and unfortunately life does not work that way. Sorry.

My advice, for what it is worth: Stop playing the blame game. The only person who is responsible for your life and your future is you. If you are not getting what you want, go and make it happen. Take the risks, make the sacrifices, and crack on. If you need to move away, then do so. If you need to rent a crappy 1 room bedsit with mold on the walls, buy some bleach and anti-mold paint. Then look about progressing your career till you can afford a 2 room room bedsit with mold on the walls. The normal working person does not just go out and buy a 3 bed house on a nice estate. You have to get knee deep in the **** first and do your time at the crap jobs, living in the crap flats and if you have anything about you, it will be a big incentive to do better and see yourself proceed onto better things in life. Whilst you are living at home under the wing of mom and dad, you have 0 incentive because lets face it, life for you is good.

/life lesson
 
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Inspirational post, Buffet

The difficulty for many young is that they come from households where graft just isn't part of the culture. What is needed is to get the message across that life is actually supposed to be hard work and that you get more out when you put more in.
 
@foxeye:

Do you go on holiday?
Do you have a social life?
Do you drive a car that is more expensive than you need?
Do you tend to have nice clothes?
Do you tend to spend money at Christmas?
Do you have a nice smart phone?
Do you have a fast internet connection?
Do you have Sky TV?
Do you have takeaways at the weekend?
Do you live at home for 'free'?
Do you drink/smoke?

If you can genuinely say no to all of the above and still cannot afford to at least rent your own place, or save for a deposit then I agree, you are a rare individual who is genuinely priced out of the market. My guess, though, is your case is similar to most people with a "can't/won't" attitude, in that you probably have all of the above and you prioritise them over saving for a deposit, or renting your own place.

Interestingly, a look back over his posting history shows that in the last 6 months, he's bought/been looking to buy:

Sofa: £500
Graphics card: £150
TV & soundbar: Up to £1000
Sky HD EE+ pack: 12x£28

So yes, looks like your guess was pretty spot on ;)

£2k in 6 months... save that much over 5 years and you've got a £20k deposit for a house...
 
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BuffetSlayer, sounds like we had very similar upbringings and share the same attiude towards life.

I made a comment on here a few weeks ago saying you have to work hard to where you want to get to. There was a great deal of posters on here who simply couldn't grasp that concept. Very much a 'I'll do what I'm paid to do and no more' attitude.
 
BuffetSlayer, sounds like we had very similar upbringings and share the same attiude towards life.

I made a comment on here a few weeks ago saying you have to work hard to where you want to get to. There was a great deal of posters on here who simply couldn't grasp that concept. Very much a 'I'll do what I'm paid to do and no more' attitude.

Well if no-one recognizes or even notices the effort, why would a person bother? I'm of the opinion that I'll do my job well whether someone is watching or not, but if there's no recognition at all where's the incentive?
 
Well if no-one recognizes or even notices the effort, why would a person bother? I'm of the opinion that I'll do my job well whether someone is watching or not, but if there's no recognition at all where's the incentive?

Well other than the obvious "do it for yourself", you never know who's watching ;)
 
Im young myself 24 and it can seem hard if you put next to no effort in.

I would say 85% of the people I know who complain about life have the brand new iphone as soon as it comes out (to look "cool") and have a massive contract, buy loads of clothes and go out drinking 3-4 nights a week and smoke. They expect everything to fall into their lap and get handed a job out of thin air.

young people are just Lazy, my friends find it shocking I get up at half 4 and drive an hour to work. And most of them want a glamorous job but what they don't realise is you need to start low to go high (unless you land lucky in the first place)
 
Im young myself 24 and it can seem hard if you put next to no effort in.

I would say 85% of the people I know who complain about life have the brand new iphone as soon as it comes out (to look "cool") and have a massive contract, buy loads of clothes and go out drinking 3-4 nights a week and smoke. They expect everything to fall into their lap and get handed a job out of thin air.

young people are just Lazy, my friends find it shocking I get up at half 4 and drive an hour to work. And most of them want a glamorous job but what they don't realise is you need to start low to go high (unless you land lucky in the first place)

This x 10000000
 
society has changed dramatically in the last 100 years, heck even in the last 30 years I would say.

in the old days people had less but felt a greater debt of loyalty to their country. exactly a century ago millions of men went into WW1 and perished, with no expectation of great reward other than their country's gratitude

the big change has been how much value we place on individuals, society being much more ego-centric. can you imagine millions of youngsters going to fight a war for Britain?

I'm not suggesting either extreme is healthy
 
We have never had it better. I would love to be born 100 years in the future. 100 years in the past... no way.

Things get better for the human race as time goes by. Unless a massive meteorite hits us.
 
Do you go on holiday?
Do you have a social life?
Do you drive a car that is more expensive than you need?
Do you tend to have nice clothes?
Do you tend to spend money at Christmas?
Do you have a nice smart phone?
Do you have a fast internet connection?
Do you have Sky TV?
Do you have takeaways at the weekend?
Do you live at home for 'free'?
Do you drink/smoke?

I agree, I am currently living in a 1 bedroom council house with mould in some walls, I am not as happy as contant as I want to be, but then, I save money by
not going on holiday
being an intorovert ( thats the way I live though)
not knowing how to drive
I rarely ever buy new clothes (only when its essential)
I try to spend at xmas however rarely have that much to spend.
I have a horrible internet conenction,
(but thats because my house doesnt have a cheaper faster fiber yet)
I dont have sky
eat the occasional takeaways
moved out when I was 16
rarely drink and never smoked

I had a better upbringing in terms of wealth, but was only better off in that my dad earned enough to make it comfortable, I wasn't spoilt like most kids are today.

me and my parents ended up at each other throats which caused me to move out.
at that point I was homeless and jobless, it tought me some hard lessons like:
dont spend what you dont have
you need a job to live
if you are alive and well fed it could be much worse
etc...

I ended up getting into homeless accomodation and was lucky enough to get a council house from dead mans boots. The only thing I want is to get a better paying job and move from this lifeless town. I am doing just that, have a 2 year plan.

If only other people, as you say, would realise that to get ANYHTING in life. they need to get off there fat, lazy ***es and actually do something.

oppurtunities only present themselves when you get out in the world and find them. Sitting at home all day everyday, eating KFC/ dominos and watching Game of ***** doesnt get you a job or better pay.

so yes I totally agree, people do too much complaining and not enough acting, and I will admit for a while I was the same but soon after moving out and experiencing the world for myself on no money, I bit the bullet and ended in my first barely paying job in mcdonalds.

and now I am in tech support, okay, its not where I want to be. But as I said I am putting in the effort to get into VFX compositing, a job I would never do if I spent every day sat infront of my TV watching the simpsons and complaining all day.
 
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Interestingly, a look back over his posting history shows that in the last 6 months, he's bought/been looking to buy:

Sofa: £500
Graphics card: £150
TV & soundbar: Up to £1000
Sky HD EE+ pack: 12x£28

So yes, looks like your guess was pretty spot on ;)

£2k in 6 months... save that much over 5 years and you've got a £20k deposit for a house...

This is pretty much always my point in these kind of discussions.

Priorities, or lack thereof. To me, if you can't have a holiday, or a social life because you rent somewhere, so be it. You pay your money, you make your choices.

My choice was to be hard up for a while but do it on my own two feet so I could look at myself in the mirror and feel like I was doing something worthwhile. I don't know, maybe it is a self respect thing? I have worked since I was old enough to do a paper round, and bar brief periods of unemployment I have always worked and always done my level best at whatever I do. Not because I want to show off to my boss, but because I want to walk away knowing I have done a good job. In my mind, a job just is not worth doing unless you are going to do it properly.

My dad always used to say to me something along the lines of "Son, when you are in your own place, bouncing a nipper on your knee and the bills are dropping on your doormat - then I will see you as an equal". It is the difference, to me, between a man and a boy.

My parents are are awesome and I have so much to thank them for. I would never dream of bemoaning their achievements in life because I appreciate how hard it is to do the things that they did. I have done it, somewhat easier in my opinion but still no mean feat (bar the nipper, we are working on that! :p ).

I just think there is too much wanting cake and eating it these days.

I wont even go into the kind of life my grandparents had, that makes my parents journey seem like a walk in the park! :p
 
Did you actually look into the jobs? Or, like everyone one else on here that uses direct.gov for stats just pull the figures alone? How many of them are "self-employed" catalog distributers? The ones that cost more to work than you get back in pay. How many are very vague "warehouse workers required" that are actually agencies padding their numbers with no real jobs to be had? All the employment websites, including the governments is a joke.

People simply can't move to the other end of the country to try and get a job at £6.31 an hour, zero hour contract that might not even exist.

1. You get the job first I'm not suggesting you relocate and then start looking for work.....

I looked at some of the jobs yes there were a wide variety of jobs pulled from various places.

People can simply do it it's exactly what I did. Like I said I don't believe in Can't only Won't.

I suppose this comes from my dad although he worked for the same company for his entire career (bar name and ownership changes) he moved around a lot We moved on average every 4 years So I am not attached to locations or people and those that are worth knowing make the effort to stay in touch.
 
Got a mortgage 18 months ago and I'm now 23.

Work hard, live sensibly and use your money wisely.

If you can honestly say you do these things but still can't afford a house when approaching the middle of your life then something is surely wrong?
 
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