Mercedes E class coupe/cab (Now Audi A5/S5 content)

xs2man said:
Because its a Porsche Cayman S, not an Audi S5.

The S5 will NEVER be an RS5, so it's not like it's the top A5. And so will depreciate a bit faster. The Porsche Cayman S is the top Cayman.
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But if we use your logic, surely the Cayman S will depreciate just as fast, because it isn't a Cayman R/GTS? :confused:
 
MORE SPEED said:
But if we use your logic, surely the Cayman S will depreciate just as fast, because it isn't a Cayman R/GTS? :confused:
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I see your point there. However...

I am by no means an expert in Porsche models, but there are NO Cayman R/GTS on the approved used site until MY2011. Now, I'm not saying that's when they were released, but wikipedia says that (not that wikipedia is by anymeans a reference site).

So my point still stands that in the model years at which the OP can reach to with his budget, the Cayman S was the top model for that year (in this case, '09-'10). In the same way that with the Audi A4 B6 platform (2001-2005), the S4 was the top model for that year, but you can obviously buy an RS4, but not until 2006.
 
Being the 'top model' isn't really that relevant though otherwise the E46 328i would be worth a pile because it was the 'top model' in 1999 given there was no M3.
 
It's still worth more than a 320i or 323i though, but obviously once you get down to 10-15 years old condition begins to play a bigger part. Just like an S4 is worth more than a A4 1.8T (or 2.0T in newer models), or a Mondeo ST is worth more than a 2.0 Titanium (or whatever the new ghia is).

Regardless, my point was less about the actual value, or depreciation (although I believe it will depreciate slightly slower than a non-top model), but more the fact that it IS the fastest one available at that MY / Price-point.
 
So I went to Audi this morning in hope of testing an A5 and an S5 in coupe form. Instead he only had a convertible A5 with a 2.0 litre petrol engine. I was very underwhelmed and he was pushing hard to sell one even though he knew I'd prefer the S5.

I then managed to get an appointment with BMW Watford for early this evening and finally tried out the M135i which I meant I try last year.
Before I comment on the car, I must mention that the dealer has changed massively, such a better experience than before and felt like they were listening to me and took me through all the available options.

On to the car - wow. I love that it can cruise and waft on the motorway and then become a completely different animal when giving it some - I'm sold.
Ran through some figures and he spec'd up a 5 door with quite a few options and it only came in at £359 a month over 4 years, a lot less than I expected (maybe because he put in a 10% contribution). I think I can squeeze this up to 15% as he seemed open to movement.

Decisions decisions, didn't see it ending up like this!
 
Be careful with looking just at the monthly figures, what is the total cost (initial payment, final payment, interest rate, amount to borrow etc....). £359 might not seem a lot but it can easily end up being £17k over 4 years to borrow a 1 Series.

I always remember a member here being wowed by the monthly cost of a nearly new Boxster and agreeing to buy the car, only when he posted all the figures did he work out that the salesman had used the whole flat rate / APR rate interest switch and he was paying something crazy like £7k more than he thought!
 
Maccy said:
Ran through some figures and he spec'd up a 5 door with quite a few options and it only came in at £359 a month over 4 years,
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You need to be very careful here as you are falling for the classic PCP sales patter. The monthly figure is completely irrelevent, if you want I can get you an M135i for £10 a month? Sound good?

They like to get the monthly payment 'low' whilst making sure the APR is nice and high and there is a huge balloon payment at the end because everyone focuses on the monthly cost like its the only thing that matters and ignores everything else about the deal.

ONLY focus on the TOTAL cost. Even if you 'want to change it after 3 years'. Thats the other way they get you, make like the final payment doesn't matter because hey we'll get you into another new car after 3 years, so you wont even pay it.

£359 a month is £17k alone for a car that WONT depreciate by £17k over 4 years. Then there is a big big final payment...

It doesn't matter - look at total cost and ONLY total cost. The monthly is irrelevant.

Let me know if you want an M135i for £10 a month btw. Just £100 deposit.. and a £40k final payment ;)
 
Go for a 2 series, the 1 series is stupidly ugly, fair enough its a decent machine but jeez i really think people ought to go to specsavers before considering to buy one, none of the trim levels make the 1 series look good.
 
I like the 1 series so no thanks to the 2.

The deposit was £6k, the monthly payments £359.35 and balloon payment £14,518.35 (over 4 years).
I've had a few, can someone work this out for me please?

Edit - apr rate was 4.9% which I believe is fairly standard.
 
I just worked it out -

3 years total cost would be £36,564.40
5 years total cost would be £37,407.80
 
Whichever way you look at it, £23k to drive a 1 Series for 4 years is a LOT of money.

They start from £23k in the classifieds and you'd own that outright for £23k rather than have use it for 4 years..
 
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