Young people feel robbed of a better life but they don't know what to do about it

And buffet slayer, what position do you see yourself in if you were born say 10-20 years later? Still able to buy a house?

Yup. When we first started thinking of buying, the bottom had dropped out of the market and you needed a big deposit to secure a mortgage. We couldn't get a mortgage for love nor money without a 20% deposit.

Eventually, we found a product that would accept 15%. Higher interest rate and higher monthly payments but it was our only option so we went for it.

If I were born 10-20 years later I would still be able to buy or rent. The reason is because of my attitude to life. I crack on.

The current generation is not the only one to suffer recession, or high unemployment. It will not be the last.

Instead of moping and wishing things were different, accept that they are not. Work hard and do what you need to do to realise your dreams.

Have a plan, be prepared to take the knock backs and put downs. Be prepared to take quite a few, be prepared to be let down, disappointed, angry, hurt, tired and exhausted. Be prepared to fail. But most importantly, be prepared to try.
 
Don't want a mortgage atm but just looked to see how much I could get if I did .... results were depressing.

With my £7.43 an hour, 37.5 hours a week I can have between £45k and £50k. Over 30 years.
 
Don't want a mortgage atm but just looked to see how much I could get if I did .... results were depressing.

With my £7.43 an hour, 37.5 hours a week I can have between £45k and £50k. Over 30 years.

What could you get if you worked overtime, or did an evening job as well as your current job and saved for 2-3 years? Made cut backs, lived a simpler life with a view to getting together a nice deposit for a better house? Maybe considered moving to a cheaper area, moving into cheaper rented for a while etc etc. So on and so forth.........

When you put your mind to it you can get a deposit together if you really want to. The question will be, do you really want to?

Also, although you are not ready to buy yet, do you think now is a good time to make the plans for when you do want to buy?

Or just take your £45-£50k and buy what you can, where you can.

It really all depends how you want to go about it :)
 
Yup. When we first started thinking of buying, the bottom had dropped out of the market and you needed a big deposit to secure a mortgage. We couldn't get a mortgage for love nor money without a 20% deposit.

Eventually, we found a product that would accept 15%. Higher interest rate and higher monthly payments but it was our only option so we went for it.

If I were born 10-20 years later I would still be able to buy or rent. The reason is because of my attitude to life. I crack on.

The current generation is not the only one to suffer recession, or high unemployment. It will not be the last.

Instead of moping and wishing things were different, accept that they are not. Work hard and do what you need to do to realise your dreams.

Have a plan, be prepared to take the knock backs and put downs. Be prepared to take quite a few, be prepared to be let down, disappointed, angry, hurt, tired and exhausted. Be prepared to fail. But most importantly, be prepared to try.


And you achieved that in worse conditions than the younger generation are faced with, which makes the idea of people feeling "robbed" even more annoying. We've all had to work for what we've got, just this generation seem to feel they deserve everything handed to them.
 
And you achieved that in worse conditions than the younger generation are faced with, which makes the idea of people feeling "robbed" even more annoying. We've all had to work for what we've got, just this generation seem to feel they deserve everything handed to them.

Yeah we first decided we wanted to buy in 2009 and banks were being very cautious.

It took till late 2011 to get there.

Don't get me wrong, we don't have an extravagant life now. Our holiday this year is a week sharing a cottage with friends in Wales. We are comfortable, but we both still work 6-7 days a week a fair amount of the time though.

But now the house is sorted we are looking towards a family so we are now making the changes we need to try and achieve that. My wife is retraining, and I am looking at moving around the company I work for to give me a more consistent 9-5 work life. If not, I will have to walk away from a 10 year career and find a job that does give me what I want. I really don't want to have to do that because I like where I work, but our life together as a family is now our priority.

We have eaten and slept long hours and barely having any time together for so long now that it is starting to have an impact on our mindset. We have had enough and want a change. So we are doing what we can.

All being well, this time next year we will be in a completely different place, work wise :)
 
Multiplier is higher than it used to be, it is very easy to get a mortgagee.

It's not high enough with even the cheaper houses being more many times the average salary, and when the interest rates rise again monthly payments will become an issue as well.

You say there are flats in London under £150k, that is over 5x the average London salary!

When interest rates are at historic lows it is far easier to have larger mortgages relative to salaries.

Yes and then when the interest rates rise again as they inevitably do, no one can afford the payments any more and we have another financial crisis like the last one. That's why high house prices and low interest rates make a very dangerous combination, rent prices will increase just as much when that happens, which is why house prices desperately need to come down in the next couple of years.
 
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But now the house is sorted we are looking towards a family so we are now making the changes we need to try and achieve that. My wife is retraining, and I am looking at moving around


The things you could do with rearranging that post is hilarious, I just cba to do it :D
 
If your not born into a certain class, Have a certain handshake or went to a certain school you can only go so far in this country, Sad but quite true.
 
Hope it all works out for you, best of luck mate :)

Kids will set you back again mind, but that's a whole new thread!

Cheers mate. :)

The older I get the more I want kids. I never wanted them at all before. But we are having to try and get ourselves into a place where we can afford to have one, maybe two! Not easy with a big mortgage, hence why we are still working a lot. Trying to clear off some debts and free up some income.

But we are getting there, little by little. We just have to keep at it! (pun not intended, but it is a good one!! :p )
 
What could you get if you worked overtime, or did an evening job as well as your current job and saved for 2-3 years? Made cut backs, lived a simpler life with a view to getting together a nice deposit for a better house? Maybe considered moving to a cheaper area, moving into cheaper rented for a while etc etc. So on and so forth.........

When you put your mind to it you can get a deposit together if you really want to. The question will be, do you really want to?

Also, although you are not ready to buy yet, do you think now is a good time to make the plans for when you do want to buy?

Or just take your £45-£50k and buy what you can, where you can.

It really all depends how you want to go about it :)

Overtime isn't a guarantee, at my place there may be a grands worth (pre tax) available a year. The company just prefers to bring in minimum wage agency workers for the busy periods.

With a 50k mortgage I would need 6k plus deposit. Obviously more is better, I would put down as much as humanly possible to minimise the mortgage. That is just common sense really.

Living a simpler life wont change what the banks will offer me will it? Its not about how I live or what I spend, its all based on what I earn. Weather I spend £300 a month on food or £3, that is irrelevant to HSBC.

The area I would want to live in, which is near where I work is already on the cheap side of a cheap town. Honestly the place is a **** hole. A £60k house is doable if you don't mind walls that are more mould than plaster.

I have two debts to pay off before I consider a mortgage. They are not huge and if all goes to plan I should have them both paid off by February next year without paupering myself. Living with my parents at the moment so unless you can find me somwhere less than £150 a month (inclusive of gas, leccy, food, tax etc) I can't really improve on that ;)

Somone on minumum wage has no realistic chance.
 
Overtime isn't a guarantee, at my place there may be a grands worth (pre tax) available a year. The company just prefers to bring in minimum wage agency workers for the busy periods.

With a 50k mortgage I would need 6k plus deposit. Obviously more is better, I would put down as much as humanly possible to minimise the mortgage. That is just common sense really.

Living a simpler life wont change what the banks will offer me will it? Its not about how I live or what I spend, its all based on what I earn. Weather I spend £300 a month on food or £3, that is irrelevant to HSBC.

The area I would want to live in, which is near where I work is already on the cheap side of a cheap town. Honestly the place is a **** hole. A £60k house is doable if you don't mind walls that are more mould than plaster.

I have two debts to pay off before I consider a mortgage. They are not huge and if all goes to plan I should have them both paid off by February next year without paupering myself. Living with my parents at the moment so unless you can find me somwhere less than £150 a month (inclusive of gas, leccy, food, tax etc) I can't really improve on that ;)

Somone on minumum wage has no realistic chance.

My point about the simpler life, doing overtime and the extra job is getting a deposit. True, the bank will still only lend you money based on your regular income, but if you have 20 grand deposit it increases your spending power, both because it reduces the LTV and gives a better interest rate but also, if you chose to pay a bit more it means having £20-£30k equity you could afford somewhere a bit better and still be within the lending range of the bank. More deposit = less risk to the bank. So by doing the things I describe above you save more money.

More deposit opens doors. I wish we had started saving sooner because the best interest rates are when the LTV goes sub 60%. But like you we had other financial commitments.

Living at home is an ideal way to start saving, and you are doing the right thing by clearing debts to increase your disposable income.

Then it is just a case of knuckling down and saving. If you could do an evening job it helps. All the time be looking for other better paying work, or moving up within your current company.

If you can get 20k together, the bank only has to lend you £30k. Or if you want a slightly better house and be in your maximum lending range, you could go that route.

Even though they will only lend you a set amount, if you have a big deposit you can buy a more expensive (better) house if you wish, or buy cheaper and have less mortgage.

In your position I would be tempted to buy a starter home at 50k in an area where rental would be possible later down the line (close to a uni or a college or somewhere where rental properties are sought). If you can put down £20k deposit and remortgage every two years on a fixed rate you could feasibly pay off the outstanding 30k in short order, particularly if you get a mortgage that allows over payments. Might take 10 years if you push it hard.

Then either sell the property to get a nice deposit on another house. Or remortgage on a buy to let to the tune of a deposit on another house and buy a 2nd house. Rent the original one out and use the rent payments to pay the buy to let mortgage and use your salary to pay the mortgage on your new house. Once the buy to let is paid off, you can keep renting it out for steady income, or sell it and pay off a lump sum on your newer home.

So on and so forth.

Just think of a plan, think of how you can make it happen and do your best to get there. That is all you can do. :)

PS - your monthly outgoings are VERY important to HSBC because they have to, by law, assess affordability.

The less you spend out each month means the more you can afford to pay on a mortgage.


Maximising your disposable income is the best way to get the bank to lend you more. thats why clearing off existing debt is so important, as well as living a simpler life and not having sky TV, not having a smart phone on a £50 a month contract, not having a petrol guzzling car etc etc.

If you can work it so you spend out very little every month, the bank looks favourably on this when assessing affordability.
 
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And you achieved that in worse conditions than the younger generation are faced with, which makes the idea of people feeling "robbed" even more annoying. We've all had to work for what we've got, just this generation seem to feel they deserve everything handed to them.

There is some truth to that but it was via brainwashing and it happened over a decade. I'm not justifying it but it happened as you see the end results where the country is today. The Labour party. So many people think vote for them, they'll take care of you and your life will be rosy. Look how so many people hate the tories or anyone thats got a lot of money or successful. Brainwashed to hate because others achieved. Look how the Labour party thought they saved the world, or was that Gordon Brown? Even Ed Balls thinks they done nothing wrong for the country.

I remember hearing something once some comedian told the host not to tell them the achievements he has had because he knew the reaction it would have caused. Somebody watched some show last year and told me this. I can't remember how they found out as it was just one of those listening/agreeing conversations that you never really took in at the time. So many people seem to hate hearing others succeed nowadays. You hear it from so many others how the UK has become such a negative country.

Plus the lot that watch X-Factor and such and think you'll be mega rich from a contest. Or seeing it as a dream from these type of series. Look at the amount of stories people have told from asking young ones. What do you want to be when you grow up? A celebrity. It has and we now live in an instant society.

Look at even football clubs, the same motto. You're only good as your last game or you're out. Want instant success. It all plays a huge part in how others hear and see it.
 
If your not born into a certain class, Have a certain handshake or went to a certain school you can only go so far in this country, Sad but quite true.

What a pathetic attitude.

It's not high enough with even the cheaper houses being more many times the average salary, and when the interest rates rise again monthly payments will become an issue as well.

You say there are flats in London under £150k, that is over 5x the average London salary!

Move out of London then? My wife and I met in London but it became clear to us that we would struggle to build a future together there, so we left our jobs and friends there and moved to Manchester. A couple of years of hard work later, we're now on the verge of buying our first place together. It's not been easy along the way but we both recognise it was a change for the better.

Also, how many people buy properties on their own these days? Not many I would venture. People either buy with their partners or increasingly their friends. That brings a £150k flat within the reach of most London couples.

The sense of entitlement is just breathtaking in here. All those people crying about living in the UK, do you reckon you could move to another country and find affordable property in New York, Paris, Rome, Tokyo etc? I very much doubt it.
 
Oh noes, oh wait that's not an issue. As 4.5x is pretty standard as well as that's one persons salary rather than a couple.

4.5 != >5 and since human cloning hasn't been developed yet, many of us will not have two salaries coming in.

Move out of London then?

I don't live in London. Elsewhere the average wage is even lower and the situation no better.
 
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