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This is all nonsense the only omnipresent being we should be fearing on these Fora is Gilly!
Poll: Should religion be made illegal in the UK
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I thought Jesus was the son of man?
I also thought there were multiple gods as it states in the old testament.
I also thought there were multiple gods as it states in the old testament.
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What was the question? and Thanks 
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If none of my post makes sense to you, then we need to get you signed up for some English language classes.
If it's understanding the concept of the Holy Trinity which eludes you, then this is entirely understandable. As I said, I am not best placed to explain it as I am neither a Christian nor a Theologian. That said, "1+1+1=1" as a way of explaining the Holy Trinity does seem quite descriptive in my own eyes.
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What was the question? and Thanks
Whether Jesus was the son of man or god.
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I personally believe he was just a "nice" guy that could do magic tricks. However, from what I could gather inbetween sleeps during my RE lessons he was the SON of GOD. Did God not send his son to be sacrificed for your sins? Bit presumptive of the guy to think i was going to sin before i had even been born, or my father, or my grand father etc etc
Imagine if Dynamo went back in time and did his magic, would he be the new son of god?
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You d have to ask the jesus himself as he called himself the sun 9f man. Not sure what authority your RE teacher had to overrule him.
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Did he speak english? Other wise I may struggle 
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What authority did or does Jesus have for anything? He's been dead a long time...it's like suggesting that Tutankhamen his an impact on society today!
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On what basis do you say it is entirely understandable if you cannot yourself understand it sufficiently to explain it? Whilst it is true that a lot of understanding of legitimate concepts falls outside of most people's cognitive skills, they can at least usually be shown to achieve demonstrable results that can be better understood. Theologians cannot lay claim to this so we might as well be talking about the Emperor's latest fashion statement.
There is actually no real evidence he even existed, how come such a seemingly incredible man who could walk on water & do all these amazing miracles was not written about during his lifetime? that the first mention of him was decades after he supposedly died?
The fact is there are no contemporary writtings about Jesus, no actual eye witness accounts, only various totally conflicting versions written 80 years or so from the date given for his death. Does that not seem odd?? as though he was conjured up from nowhere for some reason ? There are totally conflicting versions of where he was born, who his parents were & in fact just about every major event in the bible . Draw your own conclusions
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Until "faith" becomes a usable basis for an argument.
I believe the Christian's idea of God is similar to this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051418/.
Cut two parts from the Blob and you are left with three entities but they are actually the same one Blob. So when God gave the world Jesus, he cut a part of himself because that's how much he loved people.. He also cut a part of himself to use it as the Holy Spirit which infuses people with godliness.. Or something.
The fact that Christianity makes less sense than a 1958, so bad it's good, B-movie speaks volumes.
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Well if jesus says he's the son of man and some random bird who teaches re at secondary school have different views on who jesus is or was im going to go with the opinion of the guy who the book was written about . Not the viewpoint of just a reader.
I don't think banning religion is the answer. After all, we don't ban people for advocating big foot or the Loch Ness monster. Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of any free society. As is the freedom to practice religion.
What's important, is that we have a secular government, free from religious interference. A separation of church state. The religious should not be using their beliefs to influence law and education within a state.
As an atheist, I don't mind if others in my society hold religious views. Just don't come knocking on my door to tell me about them. Don't go into the school where my children are learning and start teaching nonsense about creationism. Don't interfere in my government and start passing laws which stultify progress. Laws which prohibit same sex marriage, laws which inhibit scientific inquiry into stem cell research etc. Keep your religion in your home and your church, temple or mosque and leave me out of it.
If the religious could keep their beliefs to themselves, then there wouldn't be a problem. But they can't can they ? They'll never be happy until you believe as they do.
What's important, is that we have a secular government, free from religious interference. A separation of church state. The religious should not be using their beliefs to influence law and education within a state.
As an atheist, I don't mind if others in my society hold religious views. Just don't come knocking on my door to tell me about them. Don't go into the school where my children are learning and start teaching nonsense about creationism. Don't interfere in my government and start passing laws which stultify progress. Laws which prohibit same sex marriage, laws which inhibit scientific inquiry into stem cell research etc. Keep your religion in your home and your church, temple or mosque and leave me out of it.
If the religious could keep their beliefs to themselves, then there wouldn't be a problem. But they can't can they ? They'll never be happy until you believe as they do.
What was the question? and Thanks
The question was why should you being offended change anything?
That the words individually have meaning has no bearing on the meaning of your post.
It was nothing to do with you as an individual, nor presuming that you would sin, but man as a whole. It's the garden of Eden story.
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Understanding a concept and being able to explain it are two very different skills. But I never said I could not explain it, I said it would be better explained by someone with a more comprehensive understanding on the concept. I'm satisfied that my own explanation is sufficient to pass muster.
I was being generous when I said it was understandable that Gilly didn't understand. It really isn't understandable, I was just being polite.
Well, before I put some effort into trying to explain the concept to you again, is it going to be worth my time? Are you genuinely interested in learning something?
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SO why is man being punished for something someone else did? and if god is so powerful why didnt he forsee the garden of eden incident and stop it form happening? If we all came from Adam and Eve humans would have died out a long time ago through birth defects caused by incest surely?
