We're all God botherers, apparently

What he said is true. I wish it wasn't but the country, laws and government is very much christian based. And also like he says its not going to change overnight.

but hurt about reality are we OP

Very much disagree with the it's the Christianity that made us all inclusive.
 
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As a fairly neutral person when it comes to politics, the Conservatives just seem outright dangerous. But then, the opposition are just as stupid.
 
Glaucus said:
What he said is true. I wish it wasn't but the country, laws and government is very much christian based. And also like he says its not going to change overnight.

but hurt about reality are we OP

Very much disagree with the it's the Christianity that made us all inclusive.
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Not sure why you think I'm butthurt about it. I posted an article, articulated a reasoned opinion and opened debate to the floor. But if disagreement with a statement is automatically 'butthurt,' then I feel sorry for your dreadful world view. :)
 
We are still a culturally Christian Country because our ideals, heritage and morals are derived from a Christian perspective. While we do not have seperation of Church and State, we do have secular governance in practical reality. What is being missed here is that despite our multi-ethnic, multi-faith society, secular Government and Legislature our underlying cultural identity is still strongly Christian, successive census' illustrate this...and this is not only true of Great Britain, but the Western World in general. It's not about whether we all go to church or even believe in God, but about how we identify as a nation and culture and our shared history and heritage, which is, whether you like it or not, deeply based on Christendom.

I would point out to those talking about 'Slavery', it was a Christian led moral crusade that led to the British Empire outlawing Slavery in the first place, so that argument is moot.
 
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Theophany said:
Not sure why you think I'm butthurt about it. I posted an article, articulated a reasoned opinion and opened debate to the floor. But if disagreement with a statement is automatically 'butthurt,' then I feel sorry for your dreadful world view. :)
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Joke about knowing why your butt is so hurt
 
dirtychinchilla said:
If I had had any intention to vote Tory, it has all gone out of the window now due to Cameron's sweeping statements. In the last week or two, Cameron said that he's "continuing Jesus's work" I think. I mean...wtf! He's full of ****. If Jesus's work was to not really do much, then he'd be right, but that is not the apparent case.

Cameron is a dick.
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Wow, its true, wow .....

Never voting Tory again, that is just mind blowing

thx.

Cameron is a dick.
 
Read I, i did. You called it idiotic sweeping statements. That's not a reasoned debate. Laws, government uk identity are all very much christian atm. That's the way it is. So what he said is far from idiotic. He also said it isn't going to change over night, which is also very true.
 
MrMoonX said:
State and church should be separate, religion has no place in government and Cameron should resign for further blurring the lines
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I agree that religion shouldn't control government, and neither should government control religion. They can live side by side with no issues at all.

According to the last census though a surprising nearly 2/3rds of the population claimed to be Christian. Personally whilst this is nice for me to hear, I don't really believe it - however, at least there is some sort of affirmation of beliefs which is something. I do believe however, more people are agnostic or "open minded", happy to take the scientific facts, and let faith fill in the gaps that it cannot answer, and vice versa, use science to answer the questions where their faith falters. I think that's quite a pragmatic approach.

A few of us "weirdos" (to save you (not you MrMoonX, the royal "you") the effort of saying it) rather enjoy our faith and the sense of community and comfort it brings to our stressful modern lifestyles.

However I do still believe we are a predominantly Christian country and there's nothing wrong with that seeing as more than half the population follow a Christian denomination. France is a Catholic country, but only with around 50% of the population and over 1/3rd hold no religious beliefs. However, the church/religion isn't persecuted in the same way as it is here, but the state is split from the religious organisations - but that's because we don't have the silly concept of "Monarchy".
 
The UK is not a Christian country.

A country can't have a religion, church and state are seperate. Now I'm not saying in the past it wasn't the dominant religion followed by people in this country, but since then times have moved on and we no longer look to a book spouting the morals based on social values in an Arabic country 2000 years ago.

To say we are a Christian country is to say America likes to enslave black people. We've moved on, can someone shoot Cameron in the face already?
 
estebanrey said:
Semantics

Britain is not "a Christian country", however Britain does have a 'Christian Heritage'.

But then we also have a slave owning heritage, but I doubt Mr Duncan Smith would like Britain being described as a 'slave country'.
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Haggisman said:
Which are VERY different things.

Before we had Christianity, we were all Pagans, but no-one goes calling us a "Pagan country"

Before we had that, there were dinosaurs, but I've never heard the UK referred to as a "Dinosaur country"

"It is arguably our Christian heritage, with its innate tolerance and inclusivity"

Riiight...

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pitchfork said:
The UK is not a Christian country.

A country can't have a religion, church and state are seperate. Now I'm not saying in the past it wasn't the dominant religion followed by people in this country, but since then times have moved on and we no longer look to a book spouting the morals based on social values in an Arabic country 2000 years ago.

To say we are a Christian country is to say America likes to enslave black people. We've moved on, can someone shoot Cameron in the face already?
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We WERE a dinosaur country, we WERE a Pagan country, we WERE slave owning - all past tense but we ARE a Christian country. Yes Church and State should be kept seperate but you have to be pedantic to argue that we (being the inhabitants of the UK and not the UK as an independent entity) are not a Christian country.
 
Warbie said:
I thought the last consensus showed the majority of us follow no religion at all?
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59% Christian, 25% non-religious. In the census before that, it was 72% Christian and 15% non-religious. So Christianity is in decline, but still the majority.
 
SlyReaper said:
59% Christian, 25% non-religious. In the census before that, it was 72% Christian and 15% non-religious. So Christianity is in decline, but still the majority.
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Do yo have a link? I've had a quick google but haven't found anything more recent than 2011 - and in that 65% of people said they weren't religious.
 
We're a Christian country by traditions, and majority religion, this is without doubt.


However, Christianity is in decline in the UK, with the fastest growing religious affliation being non-religious.
 
Judgeneo said:
We're a Christian country by traditions, and majority religion, this is without doubt.


However, Christianity is in decline in the UK, with the fastest growing religious affliation being non-religious.
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I think, like Richard Dawkins pointed out once, that beliefs don't really come into this...we are as a nation, culturally Christian and this is unlikely to change any time soon...this is what the MP's are referring to.
 
Castiel said:
I think, like Richard Dawkins pointed out once, that beliefs don't really come into this...we are as a nation, culturally Christian and this is unlikely to change any time soon...this is what the MP's are referring to.
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That may be what they're referring to, but the way in which David Cameron put it across is that we're all running around licking Jesus's holy feet.
 
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