We're all God botherers, apparently

MrMoonX said:
State and church should be separate, religion has no place in government and Cameron should resign for further blurring the lines
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First part I agree with, but thanks for the hearty laugh this morning for the second part, you really are the forums court jester aren't you?
 
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Another religious war coming. I want to be "Sir Percivale - This knight was famed for fighting the Red Knight"
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Have you read this? The article in the OP seems to make it clear that we love God in England.
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Yeah I read it, and tbh I wouldn't put too much stock in the article or its spin on what Cameron said or meant. I try to ignore what people like the late Andrew Breitbart and his Fox News/Teaparty cronies have to say about anything quite frankly.
 
SlyReaper said:
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/censu...rities-in-england-and-wales/sty-religion.html

I don't know where you're getting your numbers from, but mine are from the ONS.
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Cheers, I'll have a read. I was looking at this:

https://humanism.org.uk/campaigns/religion-and-belief-some-surveys-and-statistics/

Either way I find the no.s surprising. Out of my friends, work colleagues and family I know only 3 who identify themselves as Christians. This is what makes Cameron's talk seem so odd rather than offensive to me - Christianity in today's Britain, at least in my circles, seems completely irrelevant.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Are you referring specifically to the news source?
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I think that people have intentionally, for political reasons, taken what he has said and twisted it out of context...and yes Breitbart is hardly a news source I would put much stock in.

I think you will find that Cameron, like the MP's in the OP are making reference to our heritage and culture, not saying that we are all evangelical Christians running around waiting for the end of days. The fact that Cameron made his speech to Christian Church Groups on the annual Easter reception means that we should not take his anecdotes as being anything more than tailored to those he is addressing.

Mountains out of molehills.
 
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Castiel said:
I think that people have intentionally, for political reasons, taken what he has said and twisted it out of context...and yes Breitbart is hardly a news source I would put much stock in.

I think you will find that Cameron, like the MP's in the OP are making reference to our heritage and culture, not saying that we are all evangelical Christians running around waiting for the end of days.
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You might be right. I originally read his comments on the BBC. Whether you trust that news source either, I don't know.

With regards to the second part of what you've said, Ian Duncan Smith was very explicit according to the article in the OP.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
You might be right. I originally read his comments on the BBC. Whether you trust that news source either, I don't know.

With regards to the second part of what you've said, Ian Duncan Smith was very explicit according to the article in the OP.
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And IDS is right, I see nothing wrong in what he has said...he is right, this country is built on a platform of Christian values and heritage. What do you find so offensive about what he said?
 
Castiel said:
And IDS is right, I see nothing wrong in what he has said...he is right, this country is built on a platform of Christian values and heritage. What do you find so offensive about what he said?
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This:

"It is arguably our Christian heritage, with its innate tolerance and inclusivity, that has ensured the freedom of all voices - religious or non-religious - to be heard and to be valued,"
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I agree with that to some extent in that our Christian heritage is to be valued. However, I'm not convinced that Christianity preaches tolerance or inclusivity.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
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I agree with that to some extent in that our Christian heritage is to be valued. However, I'm not convinced that Islam preaches tolerance or inclusivity.
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I put that right for you.

Eurofighter said:
We are not a Christian country. About 60% of people consider themselves Christian.

To be a Christian country it needs to be more than that.
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He is talking about "Christian heritage"
 
dirtychinchilla said:
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I agree with that to some extent in that our Christian heritage is to be valued. However, I'm not convinced that Christianity preaches tolerance or inclusivity.
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That is a matter of interpretation....it is easily demonstrated that Jesus and indeed the modern Anglican Church preaches tolerance and inclusivity, just as it can be demonstrated that on some issues it still has one foot in the past...but history shows that Christian values in this country have led to a progressive and forward thinking society in the main.

Can we improve, can Christianity improve...of course it can...and it does. But it doesn't happen all at once and just because one Christian says one thing about his faith, doesn't mean every Christian thinks the same, take the current changes in the Anglican Church regarding women ordination and in the Catholic Church with the Pope trying to address the direction of the Catholic Church..both extolling the virtues of inclusivity and tolerance.
 
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