Lloyds: No overdraft fees for muslims

Pointless analogy.

Being vegetarian isn't a protected characteristic when it comes to the law.

The analogy is fine - they're marketing a product at a group which has specific needs in an area but which anyone regardless of whether they have those needs can use.

Vegetarians have specific dietary needs, vegetarian meals are available, non vegetarians can also buy those meals.

(Some)Muslims have specific finance needs, Islamic finance products are available, non-Muslims can also use those products.

Whats do protected characteristics have to do with any of this?
 
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Sounds good but also almost identical to interest but without saying the word interest. ..you can't con god like that and remain hilal can you?

Which leaves just one question: How on earth can it work? This spring, Shamil Bank helped Abdullah buy a car through a transaction known as murabaha, which is more distinct from mudarabah in function than in spelling. In a deal you'll never see from GMAC, Abdullah identified the Toyota Corolla he wanted, then asked the bank to buy it from the dealer for roughly 3,600 dinar (about $9,500). At the same time he agreed to buy the car from Shamil for 4,000 dinar, to be paid in monthly installments over three years. The two sales were executed almost simultaneously, but because Shamil Bank took possession of the car for a brief period of time, everything was kosher. Or rather, hilal.

The result looked a lot like interest, and some argue that murabaha is simply a thinly veiled version of it; the markup Shamil charges is very close to the prevailing interest rate. But bank officials argue that God is in the details. For example, any late fees Shamil collects must be donated to charity, and the bank cannot penalize a borrower who is genuinely broke.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2002/06/10/324525/
 
Its all BS. Any angle you look at it its BS. Just smile and walk away and get on with interest fee paying modern life. Not trying to live in some Pre medieval feudal system fantasy.
 
Sounds good but also almost identical to interest but without saying the word interest. ..you can't con god like that and remain hilal can you?

exactly... plenty of Muslims don't bother with it. The idea is a bit ridiculous: you're bothered because you believe God doesn't agree with interest so you decide to use a scheme to sort of bypass God's rules as though he's a bit of a chump and can't see through the scheme... if anything that is surely more insulting to God? Trying to use a technicality to carry on breaking a rule.

Its like hookers in Iran... you enter a 'temporary Marriage' - its not really paying for sex... seemingly some Iranians think Allah is a complete chump and the 'temporary Marriage' used to bang a girl for a bit is completely legit.

If bacon can be synthetically grown in a lab one day could it become halal?
 
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The Jews have been circumventing or totally ignoring Usury Law for generations...what's the big deal, it seems just another pointless excuse to have a go at Muslims.
 
People whine at Wonga for having such high interest and people whine at Lloyds for having too little.

Why don't people just stop whining?

A psychologist just told me the only time one may make it seem as if they enjoy paying interest is when Muslims don't have to pay any. Makes perfect sense.
 
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religious discrimination...oh they play that game again eh?

Just tell the bank im Islamic in the future then?

Do you tell the local kebab shop you're 'Islamic' when you want to order a donner kebab made with halal meat? Or KFC?

Do you consider halal or kosher meat religious discrimination?

Why can't a product which caters for the needs of a religious group, but which is available to anyone, be available?

The 'discrimination' posts in here are completely unwarranted. Anyone can open a sharia compliant account if they want to just as anyone can go order a KFC made with halal meat.
 
A Lloyds spokesman said Islamic accounts were intended for customers who cannot receive or pay interest under sharia, but were available to anyone, regardless of their faith

I could be missing something, but if that's the case no muslim that follows Sharia should have a loan, mortgage, credit card, ISA, savings?

Or is it a case of 'pick and choose when the religion aspect should apply'.
 
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exactly... plenty of Muslims don't bother with it. The idea is a bit ridiculous: you're bothered because you believe God doesn't agree with interest so you decide to use a scheme to sort of bypass God's rules as though he's a bit of a chump and can't see through the scheme... if anything that is surely more insulting to God? Trying to use a technicality to carry on breaking a rule.

Its like hookers in Iran... you enter a 'temporary Marriage' - its not really paying for sex... seemingly some Iranians think Allah is a complete chump and the 'temporary Marriage' used to bang a girl for a bit is completely legit.

If bacon can be synthetically grown in a lab one day could it become halal?


Bravo although no it will still be Lab grown Bacon and unclean to them. The new arguement now is that aided by western science Pig meat causes all kinds of cancers that something unclean would do but really they just cant face up to the truth. I think it just generally now is blamed for cancer and being the number one bad food over red beef. Bacon causes cancer comes on the news in the west, And in the east Muslims everywhere pronouce it proof of Allah and the dirtyness of the pig. Except lab grown bacon is perfectly clean unlike the 7th century pigs who ate anything going and got the dirty label to begin with. I think i would brand a pig dirty myself if the diet consisted of rats poop and all kinds of scraps pigs will eat in hard times. They should blame thier own farming methods for example wild boar is not unclean and delicious. If you will not eat wild boar there is something really wrong with you. But no its still not halal, Then why the hell did he even bother to create pigs then? And how come the Danish havent been wiped out from Cancer?


Also nice integration in the orignal topic. I see they are adjusting to our culture very well.
 
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Just for fun..

When they open your new account do they slice your Visa Debit card and let it bleed to death infront of you?

Thanks ladies and gentlemen, i'm here all night, try the shrimp! enjoy!

Well i laughed, anyone else?
Natural reaction mmkay.
 
The Jews have been circumventing or totally ignoring Usury Law for generations...what's the big deal, it seems just another pointless excuse to have a go at Muslims.

Exactly. It translates to they don't adhere to Jewish practice of Usury/Interest/ Riba.

Riba is considered amongst the seven heinous sins according to them. So fair play if they want some sort of work around. I looked into this a year ago it's a pretty interesting subject, i'm not pro-Islamic but it does actually sound a honest to goodness ideology. You reap what you sow and nothing more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riba

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Seems legit.
 
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