and if those 2 planes had dropped any nuclear bombs they might as well ditch in the sea because there wouldn't be a Russia to return toExcept of course for when two Tu-160 Blackjack supersonic nuclear bombers made a mock attack run on Hull and the RAF never saw them until after they had turned for home
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Interesting report from the Vice reporter who was abducted in eastern Ukraine. For all the fear of Right Sector in pro-Russian communities, it sounds like the thugs who have taken control of several eastern Ukrainian cities are just as bad if not worse.
Interesting report from the Vice reporter who was abducted in eastern Ukraine. For all the fear of Right Sector in pro-Russian communities, it sounds like the thugs who have taken control of several eastern Ukrainian cities are just as bad if not worse.
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Not sure. If they slipped in quietly and erased number 10 without warning then we'd have a lull in power for sure as we scramble around to work out who's in charge, what's the damage, who's the perpetrator, how to retaliate.
Would the rest of the world fight our cause or sit on the edge like we are with Ukraine, paralysed by fear of reprisal.
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What is more interesting is that Ukraine has cut off all Water supplies to Crimea... Since they consider Crimea part of Ukraine, essentially they are trying to kill their own people.
I am sure this is good enough for NATO intervention, since the government is trying to kill their own people... We have seen it in Libya, time do to it in Ukraine.
There are protocols in place for that scenario.
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Guys lets not turn this thread into UK vs Russia.... We are talking about Ukraine here.
I thought they were Russian? What was it, 93% of 80% of the population voted that they were in an entirely legitimate and not suspicious in any way hastily convened referendum. In any case, what do you expect Ukraine to do? Continue to supply an area controlled by a hostile force?
We also saw NATO intervention is Bosnia and Kosovo, but there was no intervention in Syria.
I think it would be a strange action to take if the Ukraine felt the result was due to the fact that it was 'entirely legitimate and not suspicious in any way' and that the Crimea was merely occupied by Russian forces, but more understandable if they were fully aware it was never going to go any other way and that they are indeed Russian in more ways than one.
I think it's important to remember that no link has been provided to back up the claims that Ukraine is cutting off water to Crimea. I too have seen the claims on twitter but not from what I'd call reputable sources. If the claims do indeed turn out to be credible then why did this particular poster not post his condemnation when Russian forces threatened to cut off water supplies to Ukrainian soldiers in Crimea (Source)?
On the other hand, we have a first hand account from somebody who was abducted by pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine.
I would agree, just as I would just hope that even those with an anti-Russian sentiment (even just within the context of this situation) would condemn the Ukraine if it can be verified.
Though in that case I would still make a distinction between a threat made to a hostile (or at least not very friendly) military force and an act committed against a civilian population, if that is indeed the claim, it sounded like it was when mentioned above.
Even they didn't enter our airspace
Lol @ hull no loss
Yes they did. They flew within 20 miles of the British coast, that's well inside UK airspace (which extends further than our territorial waters).
Here's a couple:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...detected-20-miles-Hull.html?printingPage=true
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...-intercept-it-in-mock-attack-UK-security.html
The Tu-95's couldn't outrun a spitfire (that's not a joke, they literally could not outrun a spitfire) and show up on radar as easily as an Airbus so they wouldn't be that much use in a stand off. However having said that they can launch nuclear cruise missiles capable of hitting any UK city without even entering our airspace so it's not like they're useless. I believe in the cold war their plan if everything kicked off was to annihilate western Europe with them and the Tu-22/160 were for use against the USA (with ICBM's used against all ofc).
Your thinking of the Tu-22 "Blinder" which was retired long ago, I know that's what he wrote but I believe he actually meant the Tu-22M "Backfire" a more capable more modern aircraft similar in capability to the American B-1 Lancer, sadly the is no British aircraft to compare it to, TSR-2 was cancelled and we have never had a bomber in service that comes close.
In some ways we haven't really needed to - between the various roles of strategic bomber and strike/tactical and other classes of aircraft options we mostly had some kind of coverage of those capabilities if needed.
Shame we haven't seen a modern reworking of something like the vulcan though :|
Tbh theres no need for strategic bombers theese days. Even in vietnam the usaf's bf2's were wasted, dropping massive payloads on jungle trails which cost a fortune and had virtually zero impact on vc/nva supply routes. But it did make lots of money for the defence contractors. Nuclear weapons wise, subs are the main thing now, silent, not fixed like silos, can deliver a bigger payload than a mobile launch system. Warfare theese days has came down to the small is better scale, take afghanistan, the use of unmanned drones and special forces for low intensity surgical strikes. I have a lot of relatives/friends who served in the british armed forces, it was a running joke for years that us sf units werent upto the job. With their experience in iraq/afghanistan, theyre very well versed in ops theese days.
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So did you just accept that the Crimean vote was legitimate by making such statement?
Otherwise, Ukraine is currently trying to kill its own people which have been occupied by the Russians?
We have to either, accept that Crimean vote was totally legitimate or start a war campaign against Ukraine, since we cant have a government trying to dehydrate its own people which have been occupied by a hostile force.
Bottom line is, Ukranian government is trying to kill its own people... Not Chemical Weapons but cutting a truly life or death resource aka water... A Human can not last longer than 3 days without water, therefore within 1-2 weeks whole population of Crimea which is higher than 1 million is at risk of dying out. We cant let that happen can we?
Even if you agree that Crimea is "Separatist" this action is completely illegal and completely un-European (which ukraine wants to part of) Can you imagine us cutting off literally all supplies with Scotland tomorrow because they want a vote on independence?? I am sure we`ll have a ban hammer crushing down on us from EU and USA.
Ukraine Governments actions, speak for themselves... They are even worse than Nazis. You cant get out of this Scorza.
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I was attached to US forces in Iraq and this was a common misconception amongst many people at the time and I think is still a prevalent thought pattern. It was blatantly not true. US forces had better equipment, better logistics, better training and most importantly better commanders. They were just better all around. I think it would be fair to say the the UK has turned up to every single conflict for quite some time with outdated methodologies that have been totally unsuitable for the situations that presented themselves.
So did you just accept that the Crimean vote was legitimate by making such statement?
No. It would seem that sarcasm has gone entirely over your head in this case
Please provide a source to back up your claim that Ukraine is trying to kill its own people by cutting off water, otherwise it's not clear what we're discussing.
No I can't because if Scotland splits from the UK it will have done so in an entirely legal and democratic way, and not have been annexed by a hostile state.
You have no arguments that can support Russia's actions in Ukraine so resort to name calling. Pathetic.
It's a good job you wasn't around during the Cuban missile crisis(I was) because you would be running round the streets shouting
"we're all going to die" grow up and stop worrying.
Lol, nice of Russia to supply the rebels with state of the art knives and bats
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/...kraine-s-donetsk/article/382242#ixzz306wUIZEb
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Lol, yeah Americas right, the sepratists totally look like Russian special forces
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/...kraine-s-donetsk/article/382242#ixzz306wUIZEb
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Lol, yeah Americas right, the sepratists totally look like Russian special forces
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Remember the Vice News reporter who was abducted by pro-Russian supporters and then released? This is what he was working on immediately prior to his abduction - evidence of Russians working with the separatists in eastern Ukraine.
http://www.vice.com/vice-news/russi...of-ukraine---part-30?utm_source=vicetwitterus
http://www.vice.com/vice-news/russi...of-ukraine---part-30?utm_source=vicetwitterus
So, basically he was going around collecting information to support the stance of the pro-EU government in Kiev and was detained by the separatists for it (I'm not sure you can really call it abducted if you are acting on behalf of one side in an uprising and the other detains you for it).
The funny thing is that his evidence only proves that a few of the anti-EU fighters are from Russia and are adamant they were not sent by Russia but came of their own free will (to aid their fellow cossacks) which we already knew. In WW1 the were Americans coming to fight long before the US joined the war.
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