Teacher stabbed to death at Leeds high school

robfosters said:
He took this ladies life while she was doing her great job brightening the futures of the young students. Why should he then gave the pleasure of his own after a few years in a nice room with Playstation, TV and the like.
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I'm not saying he's not committed a serious crime. He has, but kids that young are often brought up in very toxic environments and are products of that upbringing. Remove them from that environment and they have a chance to change.
 
Fifteen, still a child. I always feel like there are 2 victims in these things, and I am a long way from being a wishy washy liberal.
 
Maybe with lesser crimes such as kids who rob or burgle, but cold blooded murder is a different story.

No upbringing can be used as an excuse for murder. Once you murder, I believe you should be considered a danger to the public for life.
 
Uther said:
Fifteen, still a child. I always feel like there are 2 victims in these things, and I am a long way from being a wishy washy liberal.
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I agree. A 15 year old that stabs a teacher is extremely unlikely to have had a happy and loving childhood.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Well on the upside at least you have no influence to do such a crazy thing. Summary execution is not a sign of a civilized society.
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The only reason YOU live in a "civilised" is because in the past that is exactly what would happen. If someone disrupts the community to the level of extent that this person has, no matter what age, either they would be killed by that community or their actions would end up killing them anyway, such was the brutality of life in all but the past 100 years.
 
robfosters said:
No upbringing can be used as an excuse for murder. Once you murder, I believe you should be considered a danger to the public for life.
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It's not an excuse - it's a fact of life.

The thing is just because you have murdered someone doesn't mean that you're a danger for the rest of your life. People grow up and change. I certainly wouldn't want to be judged for the rest of my life on what I did up until I was 15.
 
You say the last 100 years, but I do believe summary executions have taken place far later than that in places like South. Africa and the Southern states of the US, and that could hardly be considered 'civilized'
 
Mr. Pickle said:
The only reason YOU live in a "civilised" is because in the past that is exactly what would happen. If someone disrupts the community to the level of extent that this person has, no matter what age, either they would be killed by that community or their actions would end up killing them anyway, such was the brutality of life in all but the past 100 years.
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Brutality is not prerequisite for a civilized society.

Thompson_NCL said:
Rehabilitation should not be an option for such a heinous crime, irrespective of age.
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I disagree completely.
 
Oh good I can see the weekly capital punishment discussion starting! Enjoy folks

Terrible situation! must have been horrible to witness
 
No but your argument that summary executions have paved the way for a more civilised time is preposterous. Regardless of what people do, they have a right to a fair trial.
 
All of the kill the kid now posters don't know any of the facts or circumstances of the case, the boy may have been bullied from year 1 and just snapped took a knife in and the by all accounts good teacher deliberately got in the way saving an utter brutal chav psycho bully, I'm not saying that's what happened but at least give the courts their turn before joining the kid as killers.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
Justice would have been served.

I'm not sure what value there is in rehabilitating him? His rehabilitation will probably cost more than his potential net economic contribution to society, so there is no material value in it.

I'm not sure what we gain by keeping a murderer alive?
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That's not justice - that's revenge.

So the monetary cost means that we should kill people now? I question your ethics.
 
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