Teacher stabbed to death at Leeds high school

So what should be done with the lad?

Mental health issues my arse, that's just an excuse for behaving like a wild animal.

Maybe we would all behave like wild animals if we weren't shown any moral guidelines, or poor moral guidelines?

Not only does there need to be a suitable punishment that isn't going to cost the country a small fortune in the next years, the punishment also needs to serve as a deterrent.

Like someone said above, if this lad contributes a single thing to society in his lifetime, I will eat my shoes.
 
Lets see the facts?

15 year old student murders a teacher in the presence of fellow class mates. :confused:

1. At 15 you not a child you are a young adult, this stupid cannot be named under a certain age stuff is irrelevant for young adults. :rolleyes:

2. How horrific must it have been for witnesses of this crime. :(

3. Why was he carrying a weapon? :confused:

4. What was his family life like, not thats any bloody excuse by the way. :rolleyes:

20 years hard labour that should fix it. ;)

Stuff all you lily livered liberals, do the crime pay the time hard if you over 13.
Teenager should be reclassified as young adult! :)
 
Burnsy2023 said:
How does a 25+ year punishment help anyone? It doesn't act as a deterrent.
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Why does it have to help anyone per say?

Whether it acts as a deterrent isn't clear... taken to extremes though - imagine some psychologist comes up with a scheme whereby you could 'rehabilitate' most people over the course of 2 months... would 2 months then be sufficient sentence for a murderer since the punishment aspect doesn't help anyone? I'd say taken to that extreme a longer sentence is more of a deterrent vs 2 months... whether 25 year is over 10 years though.. perhaps it is perhaps it isn't - it would seem that longer sentences should be a deterrent but maybe once you get to that point additional years on top of lots of years don't have so much deterrent effect.

But there is also the other point - 'rehabilitation' is pretty fuzzy... sorry but I'm not sure how much faith I'd have in the accuracy of any assessment of rehabilitation and one of the ways in which prisons do work effectively is simply keeping dangerous people away from the public... as far as someone who has been convicted of murder is concerned then whether they've probably been rehabilitated or not by X years isn't necessarily sufficient IMO... they've already shown themselves to be very dangerous people and a lengthy sentence keeping them away from the public is a much more robust way of ensuring they don't re-offend than some decision made that they've met some criteria whereby we'll say they likely been 'rehabilitated'.
 
itchy said:
Lets see the facts?

15 year old student murders a teacher in the presence of fellow class mates. :confused:

1. At 15 you not a child you are a young adult, this stupid cannot be named under a certain age stuff is irrelevant for young adults. :rolleyes:

2. How horrific must it have been for witnesses of this crime. :(

3. Why was he carrying a weapon? :confused:

4. What was his family life like, not thats any bloody excuse by the way. :rolleyes:

20 years hard labour that should fix it. ;)

Stuff all you lily livered liberals, do the crime pay the time hard if you over 13.
Teenager should be reclassified as young adult! :)
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The law is very very clear on what constitutes a child, under 18= child

Age of criminal responsibility is 10, if he isn't mentally ill then he will be tried as a child.

Tough justice has been proven time and time again to only breed monsters, have some sense
 
jh30uk said:
So again locked up, he never said prison did he?

Being ill is not an excuse for rape/murder etc.
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Actually being mentally unwell and not having full capacity to control your actions is an excuse under law, if he needs help he will get it in a secure unit. As yet we know nothing until he faces a court

Why are people so unkind to those who are mentally unwell?

Why all the calls for hard justice?

Can't we just rehabilitate our criminals, the punishment is being deprived of liberty
 
Taking a weapon to school and thrusting it into another human being has crossed every boundary in the book.

There is absolutely no going back from that.

I really feel for the teachers family and any unfortunate witnesses to the event, those people should receive as much help, guidance and counselling as they need.

Hope the perpetrator rots in hell, his family must be very proud.
 
Who the hell is 100% sane anyhow?

What is 100% sane?

Who is qualified to judge sanity?

Judges who then toddle off to high class S & M parlours?
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Prison isn't just about punishment - it's not just about the victims but making sure we're not locking up people that don't need to be in prison. I believe that some people can't be rehabilitated and do need to stay locked up, but the younger someone is the more likely it is that they can be rehabilitated.

These types of cases are rarely simple.
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Maybe things have changed over the last 30 years, I remember a lad in my class at school, was involved in some kind of altercation in the town centre one night, a foreign student was stabbed, died later. He got life for that, he was only 15 or 16 at the time. I knew him he wasn't a loner he was quite sociable and he certainly wasn't the violent type, quite a likeable lad I remember.

I remember thinking at the time he didn't deserve life, lord knows what 20+ years in jail will have done to him.
 
MrMoonX said:
The law is very very clear on what constitutes a child, under 18= child

Age of criminal responsibility is 10, if he isn't mentally ill then he will be tried as a child.

Tough justice has been proven time and time again to only breed monsters, have some sense
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I sort of agree but how and what could be a good deterrent? :confused:

Castration maybe? I dunno but at the end of the day, they should put the criminal in a
very uncomfortable situation for a very long time, to make themselves aware of the
mavity of the crime commited. :mad:

I dunno you will always get the nutters in life. :(
 
Knowing the police in this country they'd do him for accident with a safety knife if possible because less serious crimes look better in the statistics so make it look like they're doing a better job.
 
The NHS is on the verge of collapse, the country has £1,377 billion national debt.

There will come a day when there just isn't the cash to lock these wasters away, just to protect the public and prevent it happening to anyone else.

Purely from a financial standpoint there needs to be a better solution. (Shipping them off to the other end of the world has been tried) :p

The death penalty WILL return, sooner or later.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
And if the rehabilitation needs only 5-10 years?
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then he serves a further 15 years for the crime he commited... why should he be out in 5-10 years? he ended someones life who cannot have a further 1 day let alone 15 years to live freely. he made that mistake the minute he picked up a knife
 
The problem with that though is that you may be holding someone accountable for actions they had no control over. The logic to do so would be poor and the action unethical.

I am not saying I would be totally happy with such a person being out because I would not be I am merely highlighting your logic is faulty.
 
SkodaMart said:
Who the hell is 100% sane anyhow?

What is 100% sane?

Who is qualified to judge sanity?

Judges who then toddle off to high class S & M parlours?
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Peeps who do not stab teachers for one!

If a judge wants to participate in S&M with an other consenting adult that is their choice.
 
The Running Man said:
Knowing the police in this country they'd do him for accident with a safety knife if possible because less serious crimes look better in the statistics so make it look like they're doing a better job.
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You know how the criminal justice system in this country works, right?

The police don't 'do' anyone. They make an arrest, in connection with a suspected offence. The police detain the individual. The CPS decide what offence to charge the individual with. The individual is tried in front of their peers.
 
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