Z87 or x79?

Recon64

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Hi all, i would like some buying advice, i will be buying parts from here over a few months for my new build.

I will be mainly gaming, however some encoding/rendering and recording will happen also.

Now i planned out a proposed x79 build.
Parts:

i7 4930k
Asus Rampage iv Formula x79
16GB Kingston Hyper x Beast 2400
Ocuk Fathom with Hardware Labs Black ICE SR1 240 rad and Mayhems Pure Black coolant.
2x Gigabyte Windforce GTX 780 Ti's
LG BD/DVD burner
Crucial M550 1TB
Seagate Barracuda 2TB
Corsair AX 1200i
NZXT Switch 810 gun metal
Asus Xonar Phoebus soundcard
Roccat Kone XTD
Not sure on keyboard, but i want mechanical with quieter switches.

I have my eyes on the Dell U2713HM for my WQHD screen, but this would be my first time into higher than HD res, a little help here would be nice.

I am a competitive gamer, but i love a solid crisp display with accuracy for work stuff and movies.

I want to be on top of my games, but not forking my left leg and gonads for it.

All help is appreciated :)
 
Can you do a combo for me?
4770k with mobo/ ram.

I have seen the Z87 Hero ROG board, great price, a little worried on PCI space though.
I also need a board to accommodate Soundcard/ 2x GB Windforces with focus on cooling.
I can change GPU to a different vendor if needed, but i wish to stick to GB for now.

It is either X79 or Z87, prices will be higher for the newer platform, and looking at intel and DX12, there would be no use for me to go higher.

One last thing, i have no bias towards motherboard manufacturer.
 
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Recon64 said:
IIRC the 4770k is better?
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So the Hades[ runs very hot when overclocking] sorry Haswell has a better IIRC its no biggee at the end of the day.

I went X79 rather than play the Haswell Lottery l wonder how many sold their 4770K or returned it with some excuse in hoping to get a good overclocker.

As for temps quite a few on this forum delidded their Haswell to get round that problem. But there is always a chance you'll break the CPU bang goes your warranty and money

Doomedspeed said:
Yeah the 4770k, as a CPU is better than the 4820k.
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It might be slightly faster but if you look at the benchmarking threads the 4820K does very well against a 4770k, l know my benching results prove it.

l dou't anyone could tell the difference between a 4770k and a 4820k running a game with the same GPU or for that matter encoding or anything else.

How many Haswell's could run 24/7 at 1.34v at 4.6GHz without being delidded?

If the OP goes x79 4820k he still has the option of still upgrading to a 4930k six core, Haswell you can't.

I priced my X79 mobo, ram and cpu against a Haswell mobo, ram and cpu at the same time it was just £30 more.
 
Overclocking is a bonus, i run a 5ghz 2500k on a z68 SLi EVGA board at 1.4v.
But overclocking has become stale for me, i have been through a lot of hardware with intel, 2 motherboards, 3 GPU's because i pushed further and harder.

Still, power consumption/gaming price for platform.
Z87 is better than x79 with a 4820k IMO, however, x79 is in my interests due to board layout.
 
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Wait for devils canyon , theyre supposed to feature better thermal paste than the gimped haswells currently on sale.
 
Ok, spec'd out a doable Z87 build.

Hope this paste's correctly, i'm using my iphone LOL.

Your basket
Product Name Qty Price Line Total
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 780Ti WindForce 3x OC 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (GV-N78TOC-3GD) £539.99
(£449.99) £1,079.98
(£899.98)
Dell UltraSharp U2713HM 27" Widescreen LED Monitor - Midnight Grey £479.99
(£399.99) £479.99
(£399.99)
Crucial M550 1TB SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive (CT1024M550SSD1) £399.95
(£333.29) £399.95
(£333.29)
Gigabyte Z87X-OC Force Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £269.99
(£224.99) £269.99
(£224.99)
Intel Core i7-4770K 3.50GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £249.95
(£208.29) £249.95
(£208.29)
Avexir Core Orange Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-17200C9 2133MHz Dual Channel Memory Kit (AVD3U21330908G-2CIO) - Orange Light £149.99
(£124.99) £149.99
(£124.99)
NZXT Switch 810 Ultra Tower Case - Gun Metal £149.99
(£124.99) £149.99
(£124.99)
Corsair RM Series RM 1000 '80+ Gold' 1000W Power Supply (CP-9020062-UK) £139.99
(£116.66) £139.99
(£116.66)
OcUK Tech Labs Fathom All in One Custom Cooler 240mm £112.97
(£94.14) £112.97
(£94.14)
Options applied to the above product:
Mayhems Pastel - Orange Coolant 1L £14.99
(£12.49) £14.99
(£12.49)
Options applied to the above product:
Hardware Labs Black ICE Radiator SR1 240 £55.98
(£46.65) £55.98
(£46.65)
Asus ROG Xonar Phoebus Solo 7.1 PCI-E Soundcard £99.95
(£83.29) £99.95
(£83.29)
Qpad MK-80 Blue LED Backlit Mechanical Gaming Keyboard - UK Layout - Blue Switch £95.99
(£79.99) £95.99
(£79.99)
LG BH16NS40 16x SATA Internal BDRW - Retail £79.99
(£66.66) £79.99
(£66.66)
Roccat Kone XTD 8200 DPI Gaming Mouse (ROC-11-810) £74.99
(£62.49) £74.99
(£62.49)
Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) HDD
 
If you buy now, get 4820K with an MSI GD45 and plug 4 RAM dimms on quad channel. I have mine at 5Ghz and have yet to meet something to beat it. It will work at max perfomance also with dual gpus.
Still if you want an upgrade later on, get a 4930K, but if you want to play games I found that CPU tad pointless.


4770K & refresh, while they are OK, you are up for a harder lottery to get the 4.6Ghz chip, that will run cool, without breaking warranty (by popping the lid).


If you look for "later on", and money isn't issue, hold and buy a X99 platform. It will support haswell-e, going all way to pure 8 core CPUs & DDR4. And you will be able to have guad-gpu and PCI-e SSD running all at full speed.


On the other hand Z97 is just a refresh for Z87.

To be honest, with Mantle and DX12, for gaming we going to need less power. So any i7 today, especially overclocked to 4.5Ghz+, going to hold for years to come.

See the 2500K/2600K. Overclocked at 4.9-5Ghz they are as fast as their later incarnations.
And they are many years old cpus.
 
Idleman said:
You don't need a Cpu to flash the Bios on the Asus Rampage IV Formula.

http://event.asus.com/2012/mb/USB_BIOS_Flashback_GUIDE/
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Ahh, i see.

To be fair, this is a headache, i like to be set on parts, if something crops up for the same price as a certain aimed for part, and performs better, then sure, i will have at it, but all i am hearing is wait.

Whilst i agree to most naive purchasers, and those with no real eye on what is going on over the past few years with intel to purchase x99 and z97, a person like me see's no benefit tor the newer
stuff due out soon.

Whilst i can spend a good wedge as blatantly it is to see, i want what i know is worth my cash, this is why i am open to ideas and thoughts here.

Now that i know the IV Formula can flash with no CPU in it's socket i am square 50/50 between the Z87 build and X79 builds i have typed up.

To the person mentioning how good the 4820k is at 5g's, i do not think you understand my view point, however i will explain.
If i wanted 5ghz+ i would be building for that purpose, i have stated that overclocking has gone stale for me, been there got the T-shirt, but when you start paying for breaking parts trying to squeeze more...

I do not want 5ghz, and if it happens to cross my mind in the future, i would not be asking on a forum ;)

I am just asking what i should go for, i want a board that has a good layout for 2 WF 780Ti's and a sound card, this is one of the main reasons i put x79 into the mix, the 4930k is also better at workloads.
The 4820k makes no sense to me as it offers nothing over the Z87 equivalent whilst performing slower.
like i said, i could do 5ghz on either platform, i am not building for this though, i had my fun with sandy.

I can't make my mind up right now on either platform, both offer what i need, 1 costs more but aldo performs better.
 
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Idleman said:
Why not look for a secondhand 3930K, which you should be able to pick up for the price of a 4770K.
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I would rather not, purely based on trust of a seller... Yeah...
On day of purchase, i guess i will choose then, i thank every body for your contributions here, have a pleasent evening all.
 
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