!MUSLIM SAMWICH ARMYGEDDON!

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ubersonic said:
That's kind of irrelevant, both the halal and non halal meats had a crappy life, but the idea that it was worse at the end for one type doesn't sit well with me, given the choice I would pick the one that suffered less every time.
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Shouldn't it be more important the way the animal lived rather than the way it died
 
This thread is making me hungry. Really wishing for one of those steak and cheese subs now!
 
ozzyuk said:
Most of you guys who say that they oppose halal meat only do so because it’s associated with Islam and Muslims but at the same time have no problems with eating factory farmed meat.
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I am against factory farming and any ill treatment of animals within reason. Ill always pick the free range or organic eggs over other types and I would hate to be eating meat that came from animals that were not treated well.

Two parts for me, the first part is simply not being happy about the way animals are killed, singing that scary song while bleeding out from the neck is no way for an animals last moments.

Second part is that i am against any cultural implementations that are dictated by religion. Be it forced circumcision, forced covering up, forced religious practices and so on. So halal in that case is just a small part of a larger boycott of all religions and their traditions, including such things as christmas and so on.
 
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Efour said:
Really?

How do you justify that ? Or you fishing for reactions like everyone else?:confused::confused:
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My guess would be because with Halal sheep die in ~7 seconds and cattle in ~2mins so they have the peace of knowing their going to a better place and a nice man is saying a prayer for them. As opposed to the less humane normal method where they are killed instantly and don't get to suffer.
 
ozzyuk said:
Shouldn't it be more important the way the animal lived rather than the way it died
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This is a dumb argument its saying all non halal meat is factory farmed rubbish which is false.

Subway ham is probably factory farmed rubbish

The difference between the two is.. well its obvious facts that don't need saying yet again
 
ubersonic said:
Not if both animals lived the same way, neither Halal or standard tell you anything about how the animal lived, just how it died.
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Isn't he pointing out that it could be argued that you don't really care about animals if you disregard their suffering during life ?

Others might go further and consider that you have cherry-picked that particular aspect of animal welfare because it suits your position in regards Islam. Please note I am not suggesting this is the case, only that your position opens you up to such accusations ;)
 
jh30uk said:
@Storm3y, Watch a video on it then say the same afterwards. :rolleyes:


< click if you choose, I will not post it the normal way.
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Not sure how serious I would take a video with the poster stating

"Boycott all Halal Restaurants Australia Wide !"

Funny how we only see one stunning in comparison!


Here some traditional UK slaughter, so much better right?


Anyhow I watched the video well the first half of it, as im not too fond in watching animal slaughter.

First the animals appear to die almost instantly, perfect example at 2.14 mins, and lose consciousness. Now it appears the "barbaric" bit you are playing at is the sight of blood :) There's going to be blood, when animals are killed regardless of method or process one way or another. There is nothing barbaric about it. Secondly some of the animals twitch, which I assume you also refer too, again this is perfectly normal muscle contractions.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
Isn't he pointing out that it could be argued that you don't really care about animals if you disregard their suffering during life ?
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Not really, he may be trying to /shrug but if both animals lived the same way and the only difference is the way they died then picking the one with the nicer death works better for me.

I am not about to stop eating meat because I consider myself > animals, but I don't approve of stuff like hunting for sport and I like the idea that my food suffered as little as possible.


Tuppy_Glossop said:
Others might go further and consider that you have cherry-picked that particular aspect of animal welfare because it suits your position in regards Islam. Please note I am not suggesting this is the case, only that your position opens you up to such accusations ;)
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They might, but I don't have a problem with Islam, I don't object to places serving Halal food, I just don't want to eat it myself.

Similar to how my vegetarian friends don't have a problem with people who eat meat or places that serve it.
 
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What I find funny is watching as these EDL types crawl out of the woodworks regarding halal

"it's all about the manimals welfare innit" n**** please who you trying to kid.

Now i'm not sayings some genuinely wont have something against halal slaughter for animal welfare reasons, I would though question why they feel standard slaughter is so much better. These people you would think would be wet liberal vegan eating ****s not your typical bum showing builder types you get protesting, who quite frankly could not give a **** about slaughter either way but have got a axe to grind with Islam. So pick parts that will suit their agenda that isn't too obvious giving them something to hide behind when they get called out.

There is very little difference in suffering between either slaughter, in fact watching animals squirm for safety after watching their comrades get slaughtered is more concerning to me from everything I have watched so far. Thank god halal requires animals to be shielded from watching their fellow species getting slaughtered unlike regular slaughter.
 
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@ Craterloads, You assume all wrong.

They are stunned not left to die slowly with a throat cut due to religion.

Also I would not have posted the video link like that, keep it a url as some may not ant to see that still.

@ Craterloads, If you want to have a go at others and be taken even half seriously then learn to put together a non wall of text post with basic English skills with punctuation etc.
 
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ubersonic said:
Not really, he may be trying to /shrug but if both animals lived the same way and the only difference is the way they died then picking the one with the nicer death works better for me.

I am not about to stop eating meat because I consider myself > animals, but I don't approve of stuff like hunting for sport and I like the idea that my food suffered as little as possible.
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Strewth. So you basically hate everyone's killing of animals except your own? Because you refuse to entertain the idea that the cruelest practice of the lot is the intensive farming of the regular meat industry.

I don't hunt/shoot, but I know people who do. I much prefer getting my meat from them because I know the animal has suffered much less through its life than farmed meat (they barely suffer in their lives at all, baring being "winged" by shot rather than killed outright). Regardless of the fact they were only really killed to satisfy the hunter's bloodlust.
 
Craterloads said:
What I find funny is watching as these EDL types crawl out of the woodworks regarding halal

"it's all about the manimals welfare innit" n**** please who you trying to kid.

Now i'm not sayings some genuinely wont have something against halal slaughter for animal welfare reasons, I would though question why they feel standard slaughter is so much better. These people you would think would be wet liberal vegan eating ****s not your typical bum showing, builder type you get protesting, who quite frankly could not give a **** about slaughter either way but have got a axe to grind with Islam. So pick parts that will suit their agenda that isn't too obvious giving them something to hide behind when they get called out.

There is very little difference in suffering between either slaughter, in fact watching animals squirm for safety after watching their comrades get slaughtered is more concerning to me from everything I have watched so far. Thank god halal requires animal to be shielded from watching their fellow species getting slaughtered unlike regular slaughter.
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There's nothing wrong at all with disliking Islam. It is not immune from criticism and is the cause of a lot of problems.
 
Efour said:
This is a dumb argument its saying all non halal meat is factory farmed rubbish which is false.

Subway ham is probably factory farmed rubbish

The difference between the two is.. well its obvious facts that don't need saying yet again
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I’m saying if these people actually cared about animal welfare that they should care about the whole aspect of it and not only the way it’s killed
 
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