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F1 cars can actually run on standard road car fuel. Admittedly they won't make peak HP figures, but their usual fuel isn't so far removed.
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Yep. I thought even then they would run on road fuel. From googling around it seems it was from the early 90s:Weren't we talking about the 1980s.. ?
http://www.f1technical.net/articles/19 said:
No, but apart from fuel, we are talking about it from a technical aspect, not that hard getting big power figures in todays world with bolt on turbos.
It wasn't 25 years old at the time was it!You missed the part where it is a 25 year old engine (one of the worst at that) that has to last a 2 hour race, not a 5 minute race. Not a chance in hell a rally-x engine will last 25,000 miles between rebuilds, be lucky if it makes a 5th of that. (in racing)
No but my point was 600bhp from a modern 2 litre racing engine isn't epic which I made in my first post, and anyway, the Hart 415T is 33 years old, I under estimated it.
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Weren't we talking about the 1980s.. ?
Pretty sure the fuel from the 1980's wasn't any different from a power point of view, it just had a higher octane rating for knock resistance allowing higher compression ratios. They were 102 Octane (RON) but also had some other additives to change the viscosity I believe. They weren't adding Nitromethane or anything to boost the power.
It is fairly simple to boost modern fuel to that level with additives allowing modern engines to run higher compression ratios and boost
They rarely lasted a lap in that sort of power and was qualifying mode only
Why have people suddenly starting comparing this sort of power from a modern engine to F1 cars from the 80s ?
I don't remember this in any other threads about cars with big power
Because people on here hate Audis.
That and everyone is the armchair expert. F1 engines from yester year are so far removed its not worth comparing. Apples and oranges.
Just because you weren't around when these engines were, doesn't make others armchair experts. My brother used to make the turbo manifolds for the Hart 415T and I know that particular engine intimately, hence why I chose that engine rather than far more powerful BMW 4 cylinders, so to assume.. well we know what that means.
Sure when the engines were putting out near 1000 bhp they lasted 1-2 laps sometimes which is why I quoted the race spec BHP (and also the qualifying BHP is not public knowledge).
Why compare? Well a modern 4 cylinder rally/rallyx engine is the closest you would see to what was the F1 engines of old, even though they were 75% of the capacity.
My point all along has been that 600bhp from a turbo charged 2 litre is not epic and is fairly easily achievable with modern tech, components and metallurgy.
The car itself is pretty hot, I would have one were I able to afford one, so there is no hatred of Audi here, but also I don't fawn over them either.
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500bhp in the jaguar CX75 1.6 is better. Shame they don't put that engine into another car....
...because as said before from a technical point of view this is a non story, just your typical audi hype that people go bonkers about. The point was you had 600+ bhp being produced 25 years ago, fast forward 25 years with advancement in technology and engineering, it really isn't impressive at all, if it was a stock factory road car it would be something to talk about, but its a race prepped car.
There are so many other modified road cars producing that sort of figures from 2.0 engines, there are Evo's doing 600+hp from the 2.0 engines, I have also come across a race prepped B series engine producing 1300hp whilst still having the original factory block, head etc, a 25 year old design, that is impressive engineering for me.
Don't get in the way of a good Vag lynching.
'oh look another overpriced, overhyped audi repmobile with retarded haldex quattro in white with a 2.0 tdi for the torx innit bruv'.
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Why are people surprised a 2.0 is only putting out 600bhp. Its not like engines are any different to what they were 30 years ago. All that has really changed is the engine management side of things. No matter what technology you have you are still limited by physics as to what power an engine can produce.
Oooh because a 2.0l fiesta RallyX used for pikes peak is making 800hp. Clearly the Fiesta can break the laws of physics.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/109052819626/ford-fiesta-powered-by-800-hp-engine-to-run-pikes-peak
This is not about VAG lynching at all, it is nothing more than what I said before, 600bhp is not EPIC, it is ballpark for a 2.0l engine of that type in RallyX, one could say Minimum really.
The mountune Customer fiesta engine is 600bhp, the Audi is is just a tweak on the VAG Beetle rallyX car making 560 bhp.
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Oooh because a 2.0l fiesta RallyX used for pikes peak is making 800hp. Clearly the Fiesta can break the laws of physics.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/109052819626/ford-fiesta-powered-by-800-hp-engine-to-run-pikes-peak
This is not about VAG lynching at all, it is nothing more than what I said before, 600bhp is not EPIC, it is ballpark for a 2.0l engine of that type in RallyX, one could say Minimum really.
The mountune Customer fiesta engine is 600bhp, the Audi is is just a tweak on the VAG Beetle rallyX car making 560 bhp.
You miss understood my post there is only so much you can push an engine before it craps itself. The limit of a 4 cylinder was reached decades ago which is why today you will not see any difference in peak HP. The main difference is how quickly it can make that power and keep it there.
Also a pikes peak car will not be making 800hp when its half way up the hill.
I understood your post perfectly, but advances in lubrication and metallurgy, plus the reduced cost of components means that 600bhp is now more commonplace and less special. ie the BHP point at which the engine craps out is higher.
The pikes peak car probably wont due to less dense air at altitude, but that has zip all to do with engine capabilities.