1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified

Yep, he resigned because the heat from covering paedophiles in the clergy got too much for him to handle.

which is far more believable than some smugglers came across a 5th Century Bible written in a modern dialect of Syriac which just happens to be a copy of a known forgery written in the 15th Century.
 
Yep, Feynmann and Einstein could never quite get their theories to match could they.

Sorry ? Is your argument that General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are both fictions ? Unlike Biblical babble, we can investigate and test the claims of science. Big difference.
 
Sorry ? Is your argument that General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are both fictions ? Unlike Biblical babble, we can investigate and test the claims of science. Big difference.

If you seriously think both those theories will stand the test of time and not be greatly adapted or completely unused in 2000 years then you are mistaken on that as you are on everything else.

They are theories nothing more - they fit what we know and what we can test at the moment. They appear to be good ones but so has every other human derived explanation we've pinned our hopes on being the definitive answer.

At least they had the decency to call them theories

Maybe god called his work a theory. We've heard nowt from the big man himself seems to me it's only the evangelists who spread it around - the type that don't know what they are on about - popular science readers do the same tbh.
 
If you seriously think both those theories will stand the test of time and not be greatly adapted or completely unused in 2000 years then you are mistaken on that as you are on everything else.

They are theories nothing more - they fit what we know and what we can test at the moment. They appear to be good ones but so has every other human derived explanation we've pinned our hopes on being the definitive answer.

What a load of tripe. Absolute nonsense. You should be embarrassed you even typed it on a public forum.
 
What a load of tripe. Absolute nonsense. You should be embarrassed you even typed it on a public forum.

Why? Makes perfect sense to me what he says. To say those theories wont adapt/be modified is frankly"silly" :confused:
 
What is the timeline of the Bible, was it consistently passed down through the ages or did it go missing for a while?

Well, the Old Testament seems to have started around 1000BC with different parts being added over subsequent centuries. I believe the earliest New Testament books are the Gospels which can be dated back to around 40 years after the death of Jesus. Again, many parts being added by committee much later. It's basically a collection of manuscripts cobbled together to make a completely incoherent and self contradictory immoral big book of bad ideas. ;)
 
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So basically it was made up by muslims to discredit Christianity?

Strangely no...the original is thought to be the work of one or several european authors in the 15th Century who had some knowledge of both Christianity and Islam..there are some very large errors in the doctrines of both religions within the Gospel that point to this being the case (why some people think it was the work of a Jew, but others claim it was a Muslim or a Christian, fact is we simply do not know), errors like calling Mohammed The Messiah, for example...something forbidden in Islam.

From a purely linguistic perspective, the language used in the Gospel is not of the 1st Century even taking into consideration its Spanish/Italian origins..the formation and terminology is deeply entrenched in the 14th Century and added to that the errors in history and theology that if it was authentic would not have been possible the manuscript is widely accepted as being a forgery.

The Bible in the OP is a different matter, it isn't the first time that someone has attempted to conjure up an authentic "Gospel of Barnabas" and for that, then the answer is yes, it is a forgery in an attempt to give precedence to Islam.
 
What is the timeline of the Bible, was it consistently passed down through the ages or did it go missing for a while?

It's believed that the early Christians, who were persecuted by the Romans and were largely illiterate passed down the Gospels by word of mouth. The earliest found Bible is the Codex Sianaticus, discovered in St Catherine's monastery in Egypt, written in Ancient Greek and dated to the 4th century AD, some 300 years after the death of Jesus.
 
None of these issues brought up really fit in with what a God would be like if he did exist, I mean he must be billions of years old, Able to make planets and life at will and of had knowledge to make it all happen that we probably could not comprehend.


Instead what people have done is injected human qualities into thier image of god like tribalism. I mean you are telling me he created all of this and gave us conflicting information and then purposely sat back and watched us argue and tear ourselves to bits over it? Come on don't make me laugh religion is for idiots. There is no one out there and if there is he walked away a long time ago or is just inherantly cruel. It does not really matter therfor who or what you worship because someone with that wisdom would surely base any decisions on how you lived rather than for you who lived? Or are we doing to inject more human qualities into God like resentment and jealousy?


Seriously think about it. Religion is nothing more than a huge money grabbing operation. I mean they used to sell forgiveness ffs and they still do. Come to church and be forgiven, Dont forget to put some money in the box for the vicars swanky new BMW or Merc.
 
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The work described in the OP is a medieval pseudo-epigraphical text known to have been the work of two or more authors during the 15th Century, it has no Biblical basis other than that it closely follows the four Gospels (which in itself is reason to question its authenticity) with some major alterations in order to give Islam precedence. It is accepted that the manuscript is not authentic.

The actual Bible (which is separate from the Gospel mentioned, although it claims to be the Gospel which was written 1000 years later) mentioned in the Article is known to be a fake, the language used is clearly a modern dialect of Assyrian and that makes the language the so called 5th Century Bible is written in post 1800. It's essentially a device to try to disprove one abrahamic faith in favour of another...one of the more obvious parts is that it allegedly states that Jesus prophecised the coming of Mohammed. Something that has never been substantiated in any other text from either religion. It is also telling that Iran/Turkey will not allow anyone other than their own "experts" to study the text scientifically..so the whole thing is pretty much heresay. And one final note, according to Tehran, Pope Benedict resigned because of this, which again is a crock.

In short it is simply an Iranian Islamic propaganda and should be treated as such until such time as some objective, independent and scientific teams can examine it...but don't hold your breath. Maybe reading the Luke Montgomery novel "A deceit to Die for" would be more authentic than reading the article(s) that can be found on this on the internet.

Thank you very much for clearing it up for me. When I read the article I was very dubious of it, which is why I asked you before I actually passed any judgement. It does make me wonder, though, whether religious groups know some substantially religion changing information that they conceal because they think that it's for the best to do so, or because it would cause way too many difficulties. It could be that they're all very honest, but I very much doubt it, at least for a group like the Catholic church, who we know have a history of cover ups.

The book - hah!
 
None of these issues brought up really fit in with what a God would be like if he did exist, I mean he must be billions of years old, Able to make planets and life at will and of had knowledge to make it all happen that we probably could not comprehend.


Instead what people have done is injected human qualities into thier image of god like tribalism. I mean you are telling me he created all of this and gave us conflicting information and then purposely sat back and watched us argue and tear ourselves to bits over it? Come on don't make me laugh religion is for idiots. There is no one out there and if there is he walked away a long time ago or is just inherantly cruel. It does not really matter therfor who or what you worship because someone with that wisdom would surely base any decisions on how you lived rather than for you who lived? Or are we doing to inject more human qualities into God like resentment and jealousy?


Seriously think about it. Religion is nothing more than a huge money grabbing operation. I mean they used to sell forgiveness ffs and they still do. Come to church and be forgiven, Dont forget to put some money in the box for the vicars swanky new BMW or Merc.

My priest has dedicated his life to helping his community both in terms of pastoral care, through to personal development, and issues in the community. Hell, he even helps run the tidy towns groups!

He drives an old car and gives more time and help in a week than I suspect you ever have.

He is also without doubt an exceptionally clever man with a library that most scholars would be proud of.


There is a lot of of good (people) in religion.
 
They're very mixed, sports brah. I can't help admire people who do what this priest does, but I can never accept the fact that religion spreads what I believe to be lies. There is certainly a lot of know lies that many religions speak of, like creation. Good on that chap, though.
 
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