Kinectless Xbox One announcement today.

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Davey_Pitch said:
How has a thread about a Kinect-less Xbox (which a lot of people asked for) turned into yet another resolutiongate thread?
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It's a tough one, it'll always keep happening I suppose. MS compromised on specs for their machine to accommodate the Kinect which they clearly thought would be another Wii, it's not turned out that way so now they are left behind in the hardware department but seemingly unwilling to provide a competitive price.

There are people willing to compromise on most multi plat games out there in order to play Halo but at current price levels there won't be anywhere near enough of them. The price is still too high IMO compared to the competition but time will tell.
 
I would agree that the current price is too high. Unless you're a big Halo/Forza/Dead Rising fan, there really isn't a reason to pick the XB1 over the PS4 when they're the same price. However, I can understand why they aren't dropping the price too much too soon. Everyone who bought one at release would be incredibly angry if they knocked £100 off the price of a console we bought 7 months ago. I would expect another price drop before Christmas (maybe September/October time), or perhaps some new bundles with games thrown in.
 
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I would agree that the current price is too high. Unless you're a big Halo/Forza/Dead Rising fan, there really isn't a reason to pick the XB1 over the PS4 when they're the same price. However, I can understand why they aren't dropping the price too much too soon. Everyone who bought one at release would be incredibly angry if they knocked £100 off the price of a console we bought 7 months ago. I would expect another price drop before Christmas (maybe September/October time), or perhaps some new bundles with games thrown in.
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E3 is going to be interesting, I would imagine MS's ability to go and buy exclusives has suddenly got exponentially more difficult, it'll be good to see how things play out from here.
 
kitch9 said:
E3 is going to be interesting, I would imagine MS's ability to go and buy exclusives has suddenly got exponentially more difficult, it'll be good to see how things play out from here.
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I don't think MS's ability to get exclusives has changed at all tbh. Exclusives are all about money, and MS has plenty of that to throw around. Whether they are willing to throw enough around is another matter. I think they should try to get a few exceptional exclusives, that would go a long way to helping them fight back IMO.
 
I am happy about this. I bought the PS4 at launch and previously owned 2 PS3's and a 360 last gen.

2 PS3's because my wife liked to play certain online games co-op with me.

This gen, I'm looking to purchase another console...but will not be getting 3 as I still have 1 PS3 which I'm keeping for some games, playing music etc.

With Kinect, there was no way MS could get me to buy it without reducing the price to a point where I wasn't paying 1p for Kinect.
So taking it out means it is now in direct competition with the PS4 to be my households 2nd current gen machine.

The problem I see MS having for me personally is games. MS big exclusives are very poor last time around IMO. Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable - I didn't like any of them.
Not to say I particularly loved the PS3 ones either, but I at least liked some of them.


£300 or less and I'd be seriously considering an Xbox One. But, I think they need to show some good exclusives at E3. If they can't offer those, then It makes sense to buy a 2nd PS4 to play co-op again. Games like Dying Light, The Division, Diablo 3 are ones my wife would join me on and while some offer split/same screen, having your own screen is always better.
That and the fact that every single one of my mates have a PS4. The only few who have Xbox Ones, have both. So it's never going to make sense for me to own an Xbox One unless they have exclusives I NEED to play. I hope they do though...


It's a little concerning MS have ditched their vision. I know I never wanted Kinect anyway, but there is a worry that they have changed so much from the original vision that the console just isn't up to scratch.

E3 has now just been made more important to me - to see what Sony and MS have on the way.
 
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Davey_Pitch said:
How has a thread about a Kinect-less Xbox (which a lot of people asked for) turned into yet another resolutiongate thread?
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People are questioning the value of the new Kinectless SKU that this thread pertains to, they feel that it should be £300 or less because:

a> Kinect is worth a lot more than the £30 saving they're passing on to customers by removing it.
b> PS4 has shown consistently superior graphical capabilities as a result of having a more expensive GPU.

You can keep dismissing the resolution disparities but when the two consoles are priced equally it's a bigger issue than ever, especially now Xbox One no longer has the "it's expensive because it comes with Kinect" excuse.
 
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mmj_uk said:
You can keep dismissing the resolution disparities but when the two consoles are priced equally it's a bigger issue than ever, especially now Xbox One no longer has the "it's expensive because it comes with Kinect" excuse.
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I'm not dismissing anything, I'm questioning why resolutiongate is coming into a thread when it's kinda irrelevant (other than a generic "the PS4 is more powerful" way).
 
Lol Microsoft!! Pit an less powerful more expensive machine against a true competitor which didn't compromise on spec and what the people want and your obviously going to lose.

I love my 360 but there ain't anything but a £200 price tag will make my buy such a flawed machine...

If this hasn't woken up the fan boys nothing will, MS messed up BIG time and Sony are ****ing themselves laughing!!
 
Yep, I remember getting my 2 free games and an extra pad when MS dropped the price on the original Xbox. Doubt they do the same again.
 
What games are people actually playing on their PS4's?

Killzone and infamous? Everything else is cross platform or ridiculously naff indie games.

My One gets far more play than my PS4... titanfall, dead rising, forza, halo, kinect sports.

The PS4 can be as fast as they like, as without big exclusives it's useless.
 
Elrein said:
Lol Microsoft!! Pit an less powerful more expensive machine against a true competitor which didn't compromise on spec and what the people want and your obviously going to lose.

I love my 360 but there ain't anything but a £200 price tag will make my buy such a flawed machine...

If this hasn't woken up the fan boys nothing will, MS messed up BIG time and Sony are ****ing themselves laughing!!
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Sony are laughing...really?....you might want to tell them that cause right now they are falling more into the Red, and no amount of initial sales of PS4 is helping them right now, and sales are only going to start slowing in pace.

Also...didnt compromise on spec?.....you know theirs plenty of games it not running to the "beloved" 1080p 60fps right?
 
ps3ud0 said:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ulling-kinect-less-xbox-one-performance-boost

Not a well-written article but expect the Kinect overhead to all but disappear

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Dunno how this would work. Lets say they release the extra performance. What happens to Kinect users, playing the same game?

Imagine Davy is playing BF4 with some kinect features and cu3ed else is playing kinectless. They would end up getting different experiences (graphics/performance wise), right? The 10% I guess would mean some games could run a higher res/framerates/effects, but people with Kinect plugged in would not.


rp2000
 
I dno, which is why I said its not well-written as it implies a number of things - the source Polygon article isnt much help either. Another consideration is while in-game can Kinect hear system-wide commands once this overhead is removed (I presume you dont have to physically unplug Kinect nor enable an option) - also what about commands that arent currently mapped to a button/option like 'Record That'...

Honestly it would have been better for MS not to have said anything about this and worked it out for June and then released a statement, going down the PR path they keep continuing to go down just leads to additional confusion.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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pioneer2000 said:
What games are people actually playing on their PS4's?

Killzone and infamous? Everything else is cross platform or ridiculously naff indie games.

My One gets far more play than my PS4... titanfall, dead rising, forza, halo, kinect sports.

The PS4 can be as fast as they like, as without big exclusives it's useless.
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None to be honest, lent Killzone to my friend, only tried that once as it was a bundle. Brought Lego Marvel but that was mainly due to remote play with the Vita but played it once also.

Play my Xbox one way more due to Killer Instinct and my love for the series.
 
I saw a few tweets from people saying they could use the freed up power for games but that's simply not possible. It would mean that developers would have to provide 2 differently speced versions of every game. 1 for a Kinect-ed X1 and 1 for a Kinect-less X1. That's never going to happen.
 
rp2000 said:
Dunno how this would work. Lets say they release the extra performance. What happens to Kinect users, playing the same game?

Imagine Davy is playing BF4 with some kinect features and cu3ed else is playing kinectless. They would end up getting different experiences (graphics/performance wise), right? The 10% I guess would mean some games could run a higher res/framerates/effects, but people with Kinect plugged in would not.


rp2000
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Wont matter on BF4...ill still be in the corner ranting and raving about how badly it plays lol.
 
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