Poll: which party are you going to vote in up coming elections?

Who will you be voting for?

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v0n said:
It's kind of as badcompany pointed in post 750. Even if you were to point out that UKIP lie, are mess internally and create a lot off mess externally, people who support them just don't care.

There is very little you can do or argue with to change minds of people who vote separatist and fringe parties like BNP and UKIP. It takes specific mindset and outlook to believe in Little England myth, to support separatism and believe that selective or full on xenophobia is OK in second decade of 21st century. And such mindset is very immune to reason, facts or figures. Most of us look outside of the window and see flourishing multinational country that needs to integrate so it can do better in the future, they look outside and see trenches, wasted lands where Empire once stood, landscapes spoiled and their old town swarmed with alien faces plotting in tongues. But who did it to oos? Who broke me England they ask. Who is to blame? "It is the ewww's!" says Nigel. "It's them ewwwropeans sent by Brussels, but look - beyond the cliffs of Dover, that dust, that mist above dirty France, that's humongazillion of them towing their caravans to the gates of Blighty!" What do they want Nige? "They want to take what's lawfully "ours" by "birthright"! They come to take your spongy white bread with sugary beans from your mouth. They come for your bangers and mash. They come to remove all the sinks with two taps. And they carry the chaos of terrible legislations with them, the lower roaming fees, the longer holidays and less working hours, the works. And worse yet, all of their incomprehensible measurements are devisable by 10!"


So it takes an outlook. And a stance. And a need to justify prejudices, to have support, to be xenophobic and close mined in a crowd. And Nigel provides just that. And the only way for UKIP to survive is to be in EU parliament. Because it's the only funds they have. And so they will go and not do their job again for half a decade, not turn up to meetings and vote against common sense. And it would be funny, and a good way to rub major party noses in protest vote, if it wasn't actually affecting economy and people's lives.
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I applaud you, sir :)
 
gettothechopper said:
The worst part is nigey admitting that even if we loose money and jobs that he would still come out - insane
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So you are happy to surrender our democracy for some money and a few jobs.
I take it you and Vorny will be emigrating if we leave the EU project then, of course you would not want to be living with all us xenophobes and bigots racists and little Englanders.
 
badcompany said:
You mean like " 1000's of jobs will be list if we leave the EU"
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Worse than that! They were trying to say 3 million! LOL!

And trying so desperately to make UKIP seem like the Fourth Reich is so dumb I have to question the mental health of people who spout such insane rhetoric
 
altus said:
So you are happy to surrender our democracy for some money and a few jobs.
I take it you and Vorny will be emigrating if we leave the EU project then, of course you would not want to be living with all us xenophobes and bigots racists and little Englanders.
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You seem to be under the impression the UK will surely leave the EU at some point. Nothing could be further from the truth. The only reason why you and your extremist parties are tolerated is because you are considered harmless. UKIP getting as much as 30% in the EU elections means nothing, they have no say in the EU Parliament and they never will. If it does become a threat one day, if there's a chance for the crackpots to gain power, you will be crushed by a coalition of left/right/media/business lobby.

This isn't the early 20th century and, as much as you people hate it, society has changed and it has progressed. You will never be more than a loud minority that suffer from a severe form of myopia when they look at the past.
 
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v0n said:
It's kind of as badcompany pointed in post 750. Even if you were to point out that UKIP lie, are mess internally and create a lot off mess externally, people who support them just don't care.

There is very little you can do or argue with to change minds of people who vote separatist and fringe parties like BNP and UKIP. It takes specific mindset and outlook to believe in Little England myth, to support separatism and believe that selective or full on xenophobia is OK in second decade of 21st century. And such mindset is very immune to reason, facts or figures. Most of us look outside of the window and see flourishing multinational country that needs to integrate so it can do better in the future, they look outside and see trenches, wasted lands where Empire once stood, landscapes spoiled and their old town swarmed with alien faces plotting in tongues. But who did it to oos? Who broke me England they ask. Who is to blame? "It is the ewww's!" says Nigel. "It's them ewwwropeans sent by Brussels, but look - beyond the cliffs of Dover, that dust, that mist above dirty France, that's humongazillion of them towing their caravans to the gates of Blighty!" What do they want Nige? "They want to take what's lawfully "ours" by "birthright"! They come to take your spongy white bread with sugary beans from your mouth. They come for your bangers and mash. They come to remove all the sinks with two taps. And they carry the chaos of terrible legislations with them, the lower roaming fees, the longer holidays and less working hours, the works. And worse yet, all of their incomprehensible measurements are devisable by 10!"


So it takes an outlook. And a stance. And a need to justify prejudices, to have support, to be xenophobic and close mined in a crowd. And Nigel provides just that. And the only way for UKIP to survive is to be in EU parliament. Because it's the only funds they have. And so they will go and not do their job again for half a decade, not turn up to meetings and vote against common sense. And it would be funny, and a good way to rub major party noses in protest vote, if it wasn't actually affecting economy and people's lives.
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spot on, give this man a cookie!
 
Efour said:
I mean racism sure i can utterly, at least, understand being afraid of foreign religion and culture post 9/11 (if you are mentally deficient), can comprehend the misguided logic of "send them back," British jobs for ugly British kids, but homophobia seriously...?
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It's weird isn't it? I mean, everyone is free to think what they want, but to openly say it in a political broadcast...... that says quite a lot. 'Twas genuinely a :eek: moment.
 
Zethor said:
You seem to be under the impression the UK will surely leave the EU at some point. Nothing could be further from the truth. The only reason why you and your extremist parties are tolerated is because you are considered harmless. UKIP getting as much as 30% in the EU elections means nothing, they have no say in the EU Parliament and they never will. If it does become a threat one day, if there's a chance for the crackpots to gain power, you will be crushed by a coalition of left/right/media/business lobby.

This isn't the early 20th century and, as much as you people hate it, society has changed and it has progressed. You will never be more than a loud minority that suffer from a severe form of myopia when they look at the past.
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We will leave the EU or it will fail. which ever happens 1st I have no idea.
I do not think you understand how the EU works, the EU Parliament has no say in anything, the EU is not democratic.
The EU Parliament is much the same as the USSR`s parliament was, just for show.
Of course society has changed and progressed, not always for the best though.
From where I am standing the crackpots are already in power.
 
altus said:
I do not think you understand how the EU works, the EU Parliament has no say in anything, the EU is not democratic.
The EU Parliament is much the same as the USSR`s parliament was, just for show.
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Genuine lol. Where do you guys find this stuff?
 
altus said:
I do not think you understand how the EU works, the EU Parliament has no say in anything, the EU is not democratic.
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Direct representation could be improved it is true, so I assume you're in support of a fully federalised Europe?

It's really the only way I see to appease all sections of society - oh except xenophobes, but I'm sure we could find some little island for them.

Some parts of Europe think they already found a little island for all the xenophobes ;)
 
Zethor said:
The EU, the political project which turned the bloodiest region on this planet into one in which war is unthinkable, can be compared with crack? I disagree but I do admit that whatever you are on must pack one hell of a punch.
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Ya think!

You have much to learn young Padawan!

Think for a moment, were you to pluck a Senator from classical Rome or a "Citizen" from classical Greece and show them the modern world, they would be most impressed at the technical competence of modern societies (#) but, at the same time, appalled at the level of self indulgence and decadence!

Indeed, I believe they would regard the modern world as a dangerous anarchy perpetually on the brink of collapse at the merest hint of instability!

War could easily engulf Europe, Just like 100 years ago, we could sleepwalk into it without really realising we are doing so (The Crimea is a long way from the home counties, but even as I type this our leaders are driving us towards a possible military conflict that could potentially lay waste to a continent!)

We do not live in "Peaceful times"! When was the last time the British Army wasn't fighting somebody?

(ISTR a recruiting ad along those lines, It featured "one" year since WW2 when we had some time off! ;) :D )

Have you forgotten about Bosnia/Yugoslavia

War within Europe "unthinkable!" You are kidding yourself!

(# As a totally unrelated aside, I recall reading an account of a 19th century Indian Princes visit to the "Home of the Empire" He was (naturally ;) ) awestruck by the industry but also appalled by it, To use the H G Wells analogy, the experience struck me as being a bit like an account of an Eloi being confronted by a Morlock, With Us (British) being the Morlocks! :D )
 
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altus said:
The European Commission has the power to take binding decisions or to adopt EU legislation on its own initiative without the parliaments consent.
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Surely the idea of parliament body (like House Of Commons) and governing body (like HM government) and a basic difference between Member of Parliament and Minister is not new to you?
 
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