FL-Cops Fire 377 rounds at unarmed man.

[Beren]

Lesson here seems pretty clear. You shoot a cop in Florida you can forget about jail.

23 Cops 377 bullets, going to be pretty much impossible to get a conviction on any of them.

Of the news articles from today I'd still pick Florida over Sudan

 

[deuse]

"The car’s driver, Adrian Montesano, had robbed a Walgreens at gunpoint and then shot Miami-Dade Police Officer Saul Rodriguez in a nearby trailer park."

Well done. These guys WON'T reoffend ever again.

 

[Cosimo]

"The car’s driver, Adrian Montesano, had robbed a Walgreens at gunpoint and then shot Miami-Dade Police Officer Saul Rodriguez in a nearby trailer park."

Well done. These guys WON'T reoffend ever again.

Yup and anyone shooting a cop will have got the message as well.

 

[godinman]

Yup and anyone shooting a cop will have got the message as well.

This really, different rules in america I think!

 

[Haggisman]

"The car’s driver, Adrian Montesano, had robbed a Walgreens at gunpoint and then shot Miami-Dade Police Officer Saul Rodriguez in a nearby trailer park."

Well done. These guys WON'T reoffend ever again.

How very strange that the op didn't think to mention this important bit of information... it's almost as if he was trying to push his own agenda...

 

[benjii]

How very strange that the op didn't think to mention this important bit of information... it's almost as if he was trying to push his own agenda...

Regardless of what they did, it was their right to be tried in a court of law. Not be killed by nervous police. The driver would have probably got the chair anyway, but the passenger was innocent.

 

[Fred]

How very strange that the op didn't think to mention this important bit of information... it's almost as if he was trying to push his own agenda...

Yes cause that information makes it ok to execute the "suspect" plus an innocent friend, and put multiple public and officers lives at risk

It's amazing that nobody else was seriously hurt or killed during that mess.

 

[Haggisman]

Regardless of what they did, it was their right to be tried in a court of law. Not be killed by nervous police. The driver would have probably got the chair anyway, but the passenger was innocent.

Yes cause that information makes it ok to execute the "suspect" plus an innocent friend, and put multiple public and officers lives at risk

It's amazing that nobody else was seriously hurt or killed during that mess.

If it's that clear cut then why did the op fail to mention it?

 

[platinum87]

Lesson here seems pretty clear. You shoot a cop in Florida you can forget about jail.

The lesson is that they are all morons.

 

[cheesyboy]

If it's that clear cut then why did the op fail to mention it?

It's not especially relevant to unloading 366 rounds at two unarmed, trapped and surrounded men.

 

[Haggisman]

It's not especially relevant to unloading 366 rounds at two unarmed, trapped and surrounded men.

...one of whom had just previously shot a police officer. I would say it's very relevant, whereas the OP is making out that they were just random people who the police had decided for no reason to open fire on.

 

[chief barker]

 

[Dis86]

...one of whom had just previously shot a police officer. I would say it's very relevant, whereas the OP is making out that they were just random people who the police had decided for no reason to open fire on.

Whilst you can understand why the officers might want to shoot, they're in a position of responsibility and need to remember they're not judge, jury and executioner.

 

[cheesyboy]

...one of whom had just previously shot a police officer. I would say it's very relevant, whereas the OP is making out that they were just random people who the police had decided for no reason to open fire on.

I didn't get the impression that we were supposed to believe these men innocent from the OP, simply that they didn't carry a threat to the officers which was proportionate to the police response.

Opening fire should be a last resort, particularly when there is a risk of collateral damage combined with low risk posed by the criminal/s. It appears that the police in this instance were significantly more trigger happy than required.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

I didn't get the impression that we were supposed to believe these men innocent from the OP, simply that they didn't carry a threat to the officers which was proportionate to the police response.

Opening fire should be a last resort, particularly when there is a risk of collateral damage combined with low risk posed by the criminal/s. It appears that the police in this instance were significantly more trigger happy than required.

Given that they'd already shot a Police Officer, it's likely the police were treating them as high risk.

The fact that they were unarmed at the time of the shootings, may not have been known conclusively until after the event?

I sound like an apologist now, but I'd like to state that I also believe they're overreacted, but I don't think it's right to assume that they considered the suspects low risk.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

I don't think standard police have nearly enough training to be armed.

Most of Europe arm their entire police forces (sometimes including the parking enforcement officers) and they manage not to shoot anyone on a daily basis.

I don't expect they get more than a few weeks initial firearms training and a yearly re-qualification shoot either.

 

[SickAsAParrot]

Handguns are notoriously inaccurate so you have to fire them a LOT of times to make sure whatever you want to have a hole in it actually ends up having a hole in it.

Shotguns are better, you can make many holes with minimal effort.

 

[LOAM]

Playing devils advocate, and probably quoting several GD members sentiment in the process, what is is to us how they run their own country?

If you don't live there, how is is it effecting you, if you've moved there, you did so knowing that's how its done, if you don't like it move somewhere else or integrate. If you are American, feel free to change it!

 

[cheesyboy]

Playing devils advocate, and probably quoting several GD members sentiment in the process, what is is to us how they run their own country?

If you don't live there, how is is it effecting you, if you've moved there, you did so knowing that's how its done, if you don't like it move somewhere else or integrate. If you are American, feel free to change it!

America's violence ripples out across the world. Both culturally and physically.

It affects us all.

 

[Guy]

There was a story a while back about cops opening fire on a guy who was armed with a knife in the middle of New York. The only injuries sustained to anyone was members of the public hit by the rounds from the police officers.

Edit; My mistake, the guy they were shooting at was armed with a gun. Yet not a single member of the public was hit by the armed suspect. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/25/nypd-shooting-bystander-victims-hit-by-police-gunfire/

I vaguely remember someone telling me about this and they put it down to the excessive force needed to pull the trigger, which then made the police less accurate. Apparently it was to stop the gun going off and injuring the office carrying it, as it didn't have a safety. I've no idea if this is true or not...